Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.16]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-a8d64c7d63be1b4; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:19:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-di12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5BFD9380000A7; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OqXHM-0007MQ-NT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:18:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OqXHL-0007MA-O5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:17:59 +0100 Received: from mail-qw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.216.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OqXF4-0003N2-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:17:54 +0100 Received: by qwb7 with SMTP id 7so96935qwb.16 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SDsFbLmTFKojzwPxfcU/a6+smPhLZJbAqksfANnIlHI=; b=ls5UvPUhdLg4B4PcokZulNMFUHtrmr30aVJ9gCgBuRBTNLuBsTpTfzd3rrwCaSJMV0 yK/FfxpWuJSA0WWhYvOCFUeL/KLkm9lYnn6QrssbKSAizIXUR69nOplEOTizSM3uAhcW hExzu/264Ddgg7P+7l56NkQ4G9SQQ6dtT+9xM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=eUz5P+AZSvWhCMqiFLdABm3iuQ6uR9oWwh4q8qRY0i4viheCJ7eU4SjQi1tF2Gz/5h M+E/dp7A9luzyCP6wuwHK8gzwdQEB3Mf91K/gKFYVp801P8h69jZhkiY0YavhBe30eBR 81WD72bZWY8pj1Ohj65yMILhNuK/F+Grx6UPs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.1.93 with SMTP id 29mr4541558qce.293.1283285447133; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.238.147 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:10:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <000a01cb493d$fb8f3410$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:10:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: VLF THOUGHT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364eced638fd35048f242d57 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40104c7d63b90083 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016364eced638fd35048f242d57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Andy, Yes that is how environmentalists were able to block the Navy's use of high-powered sonar based on the damage it did to whales and dolphins. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21785920/ -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andy Talbot wrote: > But think of the animals and birds with their extended hearing range. > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > On 31 August 2010 19:54, mal hamilton wrote: > >> I see 15 Kilowatt audio amplifiers advertised, therefore there must be a >> speaker system, public address horns available for such amplifiers. >> If one of these speaker horns was directed line of sight towards the >> horizon or a mountain top and a suitable dish positioned at the receive end, >> it must be possibel to intercept such a signal at audio frequencies. eg >> Transmit a tone which could be keyed at 9 - 20 Kcs and see what distance >> could be covered. >> Keeping the signal just above the normal human audio range would >> avoid interference. >> or just TX a signal at say 5 Kcs and see how far it could be heard by ear >> with this sort of power, maybe further than the same signal transmitted by >> radio means, except one had an exceptionally large antenna >> Maybe a NOV is required for this experiment!!!! >> de g3kev >> >> >> >> >> > > --0016364eced638fd35048f242d57 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy,

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= On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com> wrote:
But think of the animals and birds= =A0with their extended hearing range.
On 31 August 2010 19:54, mal hamilton <g3= kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
I see 15 Kilowatt audio amplifiers ad= vertised, therefore there must be a speaker system, public address horns= available for such amplifiers.
If one of these speaker horns was dir= ected line of sight towards the horizon or a mountain top and a suitable= dish positioned at the receive end, it must be possibel to intercept such= a signal at audio frequencies. eg Transmit a tone which could be keyed=A0= at 9=A0- 20=A0Kcs and see what distance could be covered.
Keeping the signal just above the nor= mal=A0human audio range would avoid=A0interference.
or just TX a signal at say 5 Kcs and= =A0see how far it could be heard=A0by ear with this sort of power, maybe= further than the same signal transmitted by radio means, except one had= an exceptionally large antenna
Maybe a NOV is required for this expe= riment!!!!
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