Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.12]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI083-eb684c65604a240; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:10:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EED4D3800034E; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OjvsU-0002s8-M5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:09:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OjvsU-0002rz-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:09:02 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OjvsS-0000hP-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:09:02 +0100 Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so1566142ewy.16 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:08:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=v2P6PyQ4Zxf1X2aYn8qtcvAT5Ihr238jPavqBYwkDGA=; b=XH8rcecTI6qy9aQaTfTc1R+1PVm0WbTpJCosxAUix+RrJliwjrU92rfEN8i9//whNo cYXaDpShzWvNgsVtFF27qNTMrPh88tfpv5PCJ39d8uOCqcEiKMzWo9GaBj+vIun1wOKh jNgYD5XYUz33dCHTZmDWuCTmCnbaOUQxEJUjI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=wOKwrOgGx5enXDqcxxsuwvDjckptrdkhm1akXvHxnWaAzOhxKZJd/4NT5vNyV8try5 /K1PneXLpF7O92+xiZhQ+i2YcMzK6Dhotir0cBptzLnMc/h1PvXlbW/bXWkBRZEvhL/h m8M5QNYS2s3TQc8BXsmoYTqHXKa3c8UQX8yTI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.148.71 with SMTP id o7mr903547bkv.96.1281712139162; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.194.69 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:08:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: A question about loops for 136 and 500kHz TX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d053cc25544048db5dcd1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m287.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d400c4c65604862be X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175d053cc25544048db5dcd1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Having considered the antenna options for my small garden, I'm going to erect a TX loop antenna rather than a Marconi vertical for 136kHz: the earthing issues are removed and it is easier to build a capacitor selection box (to tune and match the loop) than wind a huge loading coil and match it. I've seen some of the webpages dealing with these and understand basically what is needed (large loop area, thick wire, capacitor match-box, dealing with high RF currents, etc). I understand the loop will have directionality and nulls. My question is this. *Is there any reason why the bottom of the loop cannot be laid along the ground rather than elevated a few metres?* Most designs show the bottom elevated a bit, but if laid on the soil I could use thick coax or multiple wires for part of the loop so reducing the loop resistance. Views appreciated, although it may be a case of "suck it and see". 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175d053cc25544048db5dcd1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having considered the antenna options for my small garden, I'm going= to erect a TX loop antenna rather than a Marconi vertical for 136kHz: the= earthing issues are removed and it is easier to build a capacitor selecti= on box (to tune and match the loop) than wind a huge loading coil and matc= h it. I've seen some of the webpages dealing with these and understand= basically what is needed (large loop area, thick wire, capacitor match-bo= x, dealing with high RF currents, etc). I understand the loop will have di= rectionality and nulls.

My question is this. Is there any reason why the bottom of the loop= cannot be laid along the ground rather than elevated a few metres? Mo= st designs show the bottom elevated a bit, but if laid on the soil I could= use thick coax or multiple wires for part of the loop so reducing the loo= p resistance.

Views appreciated, although it may be a case of "suck it and see&= quot;.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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