Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.29]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD061-8b884c6b2be6123; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:40:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5508E380000B3; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OlWg1-0003Nv-Gb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:38:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OlWg0-0003Nm-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:38:44 +0100 Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([74.208.5.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OlWfy-0001nJ-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:38:44 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Aug 2010 00:38:34 -0000 Received: from 75-168-152-6.mpls.qwest.net (EHLO [192.168.1.100]) [75.168.152.6] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us004) with SMTP; 17 Aug 2010 20:38:34 -0400 X-Authenticated: #60769621 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18lVRV6cUglpVoU96H1r4tbXlgd4caKUEMc6knLGv UXCtd+fbCvuh3o Message-ID: <4C6B2A41.709@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:33:05 -0500 From: Mike-WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4C6566E7.5090207@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <4C6566E7.5090207@charter.net> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: A question about loops for 136 and 500kHz TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601d4c6b2be338ee X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I forgot I had his site mirrored. hi hi...Good to see it works. Mike-WE0H EN35hj PB237 John A wrote: > Roger, > > Even in an area with very poor ground conductivity (such as mine), > environmental losses will be reduced by elevating the lower conductor. I > would suggest 2-3 meters as a minimum. In general, loop shapes having > the lowest proximity to ground are the best, with circular being very > desirable. The late Reg Edwards, G4FGQ, wrote several programs dealing > with loops for transmit use, and RJELOOP1 would apply the best to your > situation. You can download it from: > http://www.we0h.us/page3.html#S301%22 > > Your actual feedpoint impedance will probably differ, but the program > allows you to play with various options in advance, perhaps saving some > money, and certainly time. > > The loop is an excellent option for a lot with so many trees that a > Marconi-style antenna would have excessive environmental losses at these > frequencies. > > John, W1TAG