Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj07.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.91]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME092-8bc14c69aae6ee; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:17:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mj07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 44E1C38000206; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ol72q-0002PN-Uw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:16:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ol72q-0002PC-Hi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:16:36 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ol72p-0002I3-Rt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:16:36 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o7GLG7Wb018142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:16:07 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7GLGXKl007877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:16:34 +0200 Received: from [147.142.13.28] (vpn513-028.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [147.142.13.28]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o7GLGCOH029004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:16:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4C69AAB7.5070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:16:39 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4C694CC6.3010609@o2.ie> In-Reply-To: <4C694CC6.3010609@o2.ie> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Earth electrode antenna tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400c89ae4c69aae242d3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Tony, Thanks for that interesting work! Could you extend the measurements to the VLF band? It would be interesting what the levels and directivity would be there. 73 and pse a sked for your upcoming LF stn! :-) Stefan/DK7FC Am 16.08.2010 16:35, schrieb Tony: > Yesterday I spent some time playing with different antennae. > I started by laying out another wire 52m long orientated roughly > north/south and then I shortened my original wire also to be 52m and > this one is east/west, both terminated with an earth rod. > Results were not as expected however as although the two earth > electrode antennae show most definite directivity they were the wrong > direction. > > I monitored BBC R. Bristol on 1548 KHz which is about 500 Km due east > of me and on the inverted L (tuned VSWR 1.6:1) I could just detect a > carrier heterodyne, on the N/S earth electrode antenna it was S1 but > on the E/W earth electrode antenna it was S3. > RNE5 on 531 KHz about 960 Km due south of me was S3 on the E/W and S8 > on the N/S > > HGA22 (135 KHz) to my east was S4 on the E/W and S1 on N/S > > Readings were taken about 12:00 utc so most definitely ground wave. > > I was expecting the directivity to be broadside on the earth electrode > antennae, but they seem to behave like a Beverage in that respect, but > something that I think I will investigate further, maybe see if there > is any difference if I terminate them with a resistor. > I'm sure Mal is correct though that they would be useless to TX > through but for RX they seem to have possibilities especially after > dark as they are a lot quieter. > > All good fun. > 73, Tony, EI8JK.