Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.13]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA044-86644c696646360; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:24:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 88C3A380001A5; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ol2Qz-00062I-UF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:21:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ol2Qz-000629-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:21:13 +0100 Received: from relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net ([217.69.40.75] helo=relay03.mail.uk1.eechost.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ol2Qu-0000V7-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:21:13 +0100 Received: from [88.151.27.235] (helo=[192.168.1.107]) by relay03.mail.uk1.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ol2Q5-00026d-5x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:20:17 +0100 Message-ID: <4C696537.6090107@o2.ie> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:20:07 +0100 From: Tony User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4C694CC6.3010609@o2.ie> <006401cb3d5a$e4ebca00$4001a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: <006401cb3d5a$e4ebca00$4001a8c0@lark> X-Auth-Info: 3810@permanet.ie (plain) X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Earth electrode antenna tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4c69664474ad X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Alan. Last week I hooked up my sig genny to the loop and the maximum signal was at right angles to the wire, so I was expecting receive to be the same. Seems not. Tony, EI8JK On 16/08/2010 16:51, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Tony, why do you think the directivity is wrong? It looks as though they > are operating like loops with the majority of the loop area in the ground. > This is a fairly common appreciation of ground "aerials" though Dave Gibson > doesnt seem to agree > :-)) > > Alan > G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:35 PM > Subject: LF: Earth electrode antenna tests > > >> Yesterday I spent some time playing with different antennae. >> I started by laying out another wire 52m long orientated roughly >> north/south and then I shortened my original wire also to be 52m and >> this one is east/west, both terminated with an earth rod. >> Results were not as expected however as although the two earth electrode >> antennae show most definite directivity they were the wrong direction. >> >> I monitored BBC R. Bristol on 1548 KHz which is about 500 Km due east of >> me and on the inverted L (tuned VSWR 1.6:1) I could just detect a >> carrier heterodyne, on the N/S earth electrode antenna it was S1 but on >> the E/W earth electrode antenna it was S3. >> RNE5 on 531 KHz about 960 Km due south of me was S3 on the E/W and S8 on >> the N/S >> >> HGA22 (135 KHz) to my east was S4 on the E/W and S1 on N/S >> >> Readings were taken about 12:00 utc so most definitely ground wave. >> >> I was expecting the directivity to be broadside on the earth electrode >> antennae, but they seem to behave like a Beverage in that respect, but >> something that I think I will investigate further, maybe see if there is >> any difference if I terminate them with a resistor. >> I'm sure Mal is correct though that they would be useless to TX through >> but for RX they seem to have possibilities especially after dark as they >> are a lot quieter. >> >> All good fun. >> 73, Tony, EI8JK. >> > > >