Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.133]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-869a4c656afc1f8; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:55:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1D4CC380000FC; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ojwar-0003iA-8t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:54:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ojwaq-0003hx-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:54:52 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ojwap-0001GU-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:54:52 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (188-221-89-85.zone12.bethere.co.uk [188.221.89.85]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MVJxm-1OPVF512AI-00Z5vu; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:54:45 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:54:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C656AC1.2879.17E1CEC@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.52) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:Q9QJJaj1QHSzasgDe9KQByQltEsb0/YZDK2bv3e1k4S 3RquBdSoQw9FO1lp5DzeX8GuIYUXP6WVNXpbS9LWFGXht5LxWc hYcfwadCfx6Xkuprh6B82gq6kWtjV3c3wquZ/kvbUG+PiV5Iy7 JxBq7eiqHrM19sLn72Rcn6b146j4BmEhFa0GXS8WJnua/nOTdM 0Q2kTPV23QciA4R47Y37heLBW4WV7tWxOywYatNCLU= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: A question about loops for 136 and 500kHz TX Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40854c656af95dde X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 13 Aug 2010 at 16:08, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > My question is this. *Is there any reason why the bottom of the loop > cannot be laid along the ground rather than elevated a few metres?* Most > designs show the bottom elevated a bit, but if laid on the soil I could > use thick coax or multiple wires for part of the loop so reducing the > loop resistance. > I assume you have looked at my pages on 136kHz loops - http://www.davesergeant.com/loops.htm which are now very dated but detail the loop I used when I was active on the band. The bottom ran around my garden fence about one foot from the ground. I suspect laying it actually on the ground would be bad, but spaced off on fairly insulated fence - blocks or wood, cannot remember what state the fence was in at that time, would be OK. There were various theories about losses from vegetation but how far they relate to loops seems not too proven - certainly trees made the loop I tried down there pretty lossy. Cannot say the loop worked that well, but it did allow me some QSOs and I got the 136kHz award (number 7) for working 5 DXCC. Of course in those days everybody was on real CW... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com