Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD014-86a94c62e900359; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:16:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 34050380000E9; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OjFpL-0002vF-1D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:14:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OjFpK-0002v6-8o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:14:58 +0100 Received: from relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net ([217.69.40.75] helo=relay03.mail.uk1.eechost.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OjFpJ-0003pS-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:14:58 +0100 Received: from [88.151.27.235] (helo=[192.168.1.107]) by relay03.mail.uk1.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1OjFoo-0003an-8c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:14:27 +0100 Message-ID: <4C62E87D.5030707@o2.ie> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:14:21 +0100 From: Tony User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001cb397a$055bd990$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002001cb397a$055bd990$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Auth-Info: 3810@permanet.ie (plain) X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: ERP DISTANCE ETC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000107060803010302000608" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04c62e8fd5ae8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000107060803010302000608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Mal, you win, I'll give up and sit on a repeater somewhere or better still use Echolink, then I could sell all my radios. Only trouble is, I can't do that as my amateur licence states that I can/ *install, maintain, work and use apparatus for the sole purpose of conducting experiments and engaging in self training in wireless telegraphy*./ I can't see anything on my licence where it says that once I have cracked a particular band I can then sit on that frequency for ever and waffle to all and sundry ... I believe that's what 11 metres is for. 73 de Tony, EI8JK On 11/08/2010 18:24, mal hamilton wrote: > Lots of figures appearing on here at present are guesswork and > misleading. This has happened in the past trying to guess who was > running what power, then the conclusion was + or - 6 to 10 dB wich is > nonsense ie could be !W or 4W or !W or 10W. For those complaining > about no room for large antennas, use the best elevated antenna you > can get up and run several K/Watts to achieve the required ERP. > Earth antennas have also been tested in the past are only useful for > Cave radio communications, the wheel keeps being reinvented here on LF. > G3KEV --------------000107060803010302000608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Mal, you win, I'll give up and sit on a repeater somewhere or better still use Echolink, then I could sell all my radios.

Only trouble is, I can't do that as my amateur licence states that I can install, maintain, work and use apparatus for the sole purpose of conducting experiments and engaging in self training in wireless telegraphy.

I can't see anything on my licence where it says that once I have cracked a particular band I can then sit on that frequency for ever and waffle to all and sundry ... I believe that's what 11 metres is for.

73 de Tony, EI8JK

On 11/08/2010 18:24, mal hamilton wrote:

Lots of figures appearing on here at present are guesswork and misleading. This has happened in the past trying to guess who was running what power, then the conclusion was + or - 6 to 10 dB wich is nonsense ie could be !W or 4W or !W or 10W. For those complaining about no room for large antennas, use the best elevated antenna you can get up and run several K/Watts to achieve the required ERP.

Earth antennas have also been tested in the past are only useful for Cave radio communications, the wheel keeps being reinvented here on LF.

G3KEV

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