From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>
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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:53:21 +0900
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Hi Stefan,
  I's too fast to deside H field antenna rather than E field antenna.
It is a phenomena that wet ground makes weak signal rather than dry
ground with a same two electrodes earth antenna. Does the antenna work
as E field antenna like pa0rdt-Mini-Whip ?=20
  Try more.
73 Rick
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 19:05 +0200, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote:
> Hi Tony,
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> This is very fine! Probably you monitored DHO38 @ 23,4 kHz (TX in=20
> nothern Germany). So it is once again confirmed that the antenna behaves=
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> rather like a loop antenna. Additionaly the signal drop when=20
> disconnecting the far electrode (opening the loop) confirms that it is=
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> rather working as a H field antenna than a E field antenna. This agrees=
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> very much with my own experiments i did some weeks ago.
> I wrote my report here and in a published pdf but currently i don't know=
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> the link ;-)
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> It would be very interesting if you would try to receive my signal in my=
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> next VLF experiment with that earth antenna!!!! ;-) The E/W antenna=20
> should be best. In some weeks i will transmit again on 8970 Hz :-)
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> Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC
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> Am 17.08.2010 17:11, schrieb Tony:
> >  Hi Stefan
> >
> > I tried the antennae this afternoon on 23 KHz and the E/W wire is 12dB=
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> > up on the N/S wire.
> > I have no idea what I was receiving as I was using a FRG-7700 which=20
> > only displays to the nearest KHz.
> > When I disconnected the far end from the earth stake the signal=20
> > dropped by 18dB, the receiver is at the eastern end of the E/W wire=20
> > and the northern end of the N/S wire.
> >
> > I will try sub 10 KHz when I sort out where my local QRM is coming fro=
m.
> >
> > Tony, EI8JK.
> >
> >
> > On 16/08/2010 22:16, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote:
> >> Hello Tony,
> >>
> >> Thanks for that interesting work!
> >> Could you extend the measurements to the VLF band? It would be=20
> >> interesting what the levels and directivity would be there.
> >>
> >> 73 and pse a sked for your upcoming LF stn! :-)
> >>
> >> Stefan/DK7FC
> >>
> >> Am 16.08.2010 16:35, schrieb Tony:
> >>>  Yesterday I spent some time playing with different antennae.
> >>> I started by laying out another wire 52m long orientated roughly=20
> >>> north/south and then I shortened my original wire also to be 52m and=
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> >>> this one is east/west, both terminated with an earth rod.
> >>> Results were not as expected however as although the two earth=20
> >>> electrode antennae show most definite directivity they were the=20
> >>> wrong direction.
> >>>
> >>> I monitored BBC R. Bristol on 1548 KHz which is about 500 Km due=20
> >>> east of me and on the inverted L (tuned VSWR 1.6:1) I could just=20
> >>> detect a carrier heterodyne, on the N/S earth electrode antenna it=
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> >>> was S1 but on the E/W earth electrode antenna it was S3.
> >>> RNE5 on 531 KHz about 960 Km due south of me was S3 on the E/W and=
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> >>> S8 on the N/S
> >>>
> >>> HGA22 (135 KHz) to my east was S4 on the E/W and S1 on N/S
> >>>
> >>> Readings were taken about 12:00 utc so most definitely ground wave.
> >>>
> >>> I was expecting the directivity to be broadside on the earth=20
> >>> electrode antennae, but they seem to behave like a Beverage in that=
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> >>> respect, but something that I think I will investigate further,=20
> >>> maybe see if there is any difference if I terminate them with a=20
> >>> resistor.
> >>> I'm sure Mal is correct though that they would be useless to TX=20
> >>> through but for RX they seem to have possibilities especially after=
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> >>> dark as they are a lot quieter.
> >>>
> >>> All good fun.
> >>> 73, Tony, EI8JK.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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