Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-8bab4c69e1fd281; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:12:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2522A380000D1; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OlAhU-0004q4-S4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 02:10:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OlAhU-0004pv-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 02:10:48 +0100 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1OlAhT-000372-0u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 02:10:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d114.HkanagawaFL69.vectant.ne.jp [120.51.188.114]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7C14B824 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:10:40 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4C694CC6.3010609@o2.ie> References: <4C694CC6.3010609@o2.ie> Organization: RLL Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:10:41 +0900 Message-Id: <1282007441.6432.12.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Earth electrode antenna tests Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4c69e1fb27b1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Tony, Thanks for the confirmation on directivity of the two electrodes earth antenna. The JA5FP's group said as follows: (1)Same directivity exists in a short distance. (2)Dried earth is good for transmittion. Wet ground does not work as a good antenna. an imaginal loop may be shortened in a half. Try the above phenomenons. 7L1RLL Rick On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 15:35 +0100, Tony wrote: > Yesterday I spent some time playing with different antennae. > I started by laying out another wire 52m long orientated roughly > north/south and then I shortened my original wire also to be 52m and > this one is east/west, both terminated with an earth rod. > Results were not as expected however as although the two earth electrode > antennae show most definite directivity they were the wrong direction. > > I monitored BBC R. Bristol on 1548 KHz which is about 500 Km due east of > me and on the inverted L (tuned VSWR 1.6:1) I could just detect a > carrier heterodyne, on the N/S earth electrode antenna it was S1 but on > the E/W earth electrode antenna it was S3. > RNE5 on 531 KHz about 960 Km due south of me was S3 on the E/W and S8 on > the N/S > > HGA22 (135 KHz) to my east was S4 on the E/W and S1 on N/S > > Readings were taken about 12:00 utc so most definitely ground wave. > > I was expecting the directivity to be broadside on the earth electrode > antennae, but they seem to behave like a Beverage in that respect, but > something that I think I will investigate further, maybe see if there is > any difference if I terminate them with a resistor. > I'm sure Mal is correct though that they would be useless to TX through > but for RX they seem to have possibilities especially after dark as they > are a lot quieter. > > All good fun. > 73, Tony, EI8JK. >