Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.26]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD044-86ac4c3654481d3; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:42:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39937380000B6; Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OWzmQ-0006Hb-2I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:41:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OWzmP-0006HS-Lf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:41:17 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OWzmP-0001QE-12 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 23:41:17 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA307B8048 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 00:41:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n4.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.14]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB442F3863 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 00:41:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.14]) with mapi; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 00:41:06 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 00:39:21 +0200 Thread-Topic: DLF passive received with earth antenna Thread-Index: Acse7Q6VdLtiOfyAReeRinBkh/OMJAAAVnN2 Message-ID: References: <4C363DCD.303@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<4C3650A1.6040104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4C3650A1.6040104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: DLF passive received with earth antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4c3654470276 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan, I you could measure the power delivered by the earth antenna to a correct= load you would be able to calculate the efficiency of the antenna (knowin= g distance to and ERP of DLF) 73, Rik ON7YD ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Stefan Sch=E4fer [schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de] Verzonden: vrijdag 9 juli 2010 0:26 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: DLF passive received with earth antenna Roger, LF, Just forgotten to mention: Today i tried just for fun if it is possible to make the Deutschlandfunk DLF / 153 kHz audible in a car speaker (4 Ohm) without any additional energy sources and using my 300m earth antenna that is fixed installed on the hill. It is possible! The level is not too loud but you clearly can understand all what they say when holding the speaker in a distance of 0,5m to the ear. I just used a bridge rectifier out of 4x BAT47 diodes and a 10nF C, that's all ;-) There was not really a difference when using a 1:4 audio transformer (4 Ohm on low impedance side). Currently the R-loss of the earth antenna is 1 kOhm although it was 650 Ohm in the last TX test. Probably this is due to the heat... Maybe it has to be mentioned that DLF transmitts 500 kW and is in a distance of 40 km to that QTH ;-) 73, Stefan