Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj03.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC103-86564c40db31a6; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:20:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mj03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2991C38000528; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OZtFe-0004L6-RP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:19:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OZtFe-0004Kx-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:19:26 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OZtFd-0008JU-Ky for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:19:26 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o6GMK0U4017583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:20:00 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o6GMJO9l012443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:19:24 +0200 Received: from [129.206.196.38] (vpn038a.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.196.38]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o6GMJBeJ006502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:19:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4C40DAEB.3010500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:19:23 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4C363DCD.303@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4C3650A1.6040104@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4C3DA75D.80407@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <263121BD51374246B3F184A43B2E9619@JimPC> <4C3E27D4.3060407@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <3F71CB69-5F2E-4BEE-BB5E-651DA77CC39E@numeo.fr> <4C3F76CB.1020709@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4C3F76CB.1020709@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id o6GMK0U4017583 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: RE: DLF passive received with earth antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400c89a64c40db3002e3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Jim and the group, Today i did the test with the 1m*1m loop again. It was necessary to go=20 down to abt 750 mHz and indeed, the DHO38 signal appeared at about -100=20 dB when turning the loop for optimal reception (just like the earth=20 antenna). This confirms your calculation of -94 dB in 3 Hz. So the earth antenna really seems to behave like a loop with an area of=20 18000 m^2. Additionally i tried what happens when i connect the earth antenna=20 directly to my IC706MK2G, without any matching and resonating. The RX=20 was set to CW mode with the noise blanker and without the preamp and a=20 250 Hz CW filter. Some results: DCFG39: S7 129 kHz: S9+10 dB 137.7 kHz: S0, little noise audible DCF77: S6 75 kHz: RST 409 60 kHz: RST 309 36 kHz: RST 409 425 kHz: ("HDL") RST 559 153 kHz: (DLF carrier) S9+20 dB AM mode: S9+30 dB (after 18 UTC DLF=20 transmits with 250 kW in 40 km distance) Since the 706 is rather not one of the top class RX and there is no=20 matching of the antenna these results are not to bad i find. Maybe Horst St=F6cker can do some similar RX tests? Would be interesting= =20 to see a difference. Today i prepared 400m wire and tomorrow i will increase the length of=20 the earth antenna by some 100m ;-) About 600m should be the maximum=20 length to form the first half of a dipole for 137 kHz so the rest will=20 be attached on the other end... 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: If David Gibson is right when he says that a earth antenna acts not=20 like a single turn loop there should be some RX results out of a=20 direction of the minimum of a loop. The should be more RX stations in a=20 radius of some Lambda ;-)