Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dj08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dj08.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.144]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-5eb24c0ad0031ba; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:30:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dj08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5C8453800050F; Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OL1rr-0000A0-SY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:29:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OL1rr-00009r-Fc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:29:27 +0100 Received: from smtp821.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.236]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OL1rp-00063X-9U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:29:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 84260 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2010 22:29:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=cDsmvGBmeC+0MCqmVtaSDTeeYUvWylee75CWGAv0/W+Z95abbCW44pNjOiFJf+Qe4D4lQ5REu8pbD/8YhajW9H34moJxEyMOSUQSFj5nvRDfhc0orbUaXAi40UcMBMQrKA+Bmbf8dCaWKR92kIj+ba8JYSGe9M4LbfWIMC9qXWc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1275776959; bh=vEtD3sM+1YiuGBPpIGpe2+igtyYa+HwR3gPxZBW2en4=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=L3ye32cEYjNnskkD/kwRGCnSwloywonr3p5QYd2K5YVtvQEQeccrv2SkXe332t2177elwx8OUj0n954lSxZ/Fi9jWtiV1ZXutZ7TtWMEP4J/WcGGMZN7hLSoHFfCurOArjRd2jq2J3lEHqZgLe1209mpcUpDlTlklXSkwXWtFhA= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.180.24.201 with login) by smtp821.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jun 2010 22:29:18 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: sweDMWEVM1lxzQSn0VOHyN5kYURbgJztxJxs_52Iit_bUnUxzEExa2YM4TE3xjygSXXpibZZxvxzqeLP4mVSxMe5WTgioqGQE3HyZ3vQRcqeAMIm_flpMiosGAeVbL3B8KGAITJnDJU8UWLpUhC7_FsSepVZ1H.oEUpzHd3AjiYv72X5IikEVaVu8MB5zIfF5ZWbGsukkKl7GMLefOhM9HaCFszWJco2PDu3pq60adOmhH8QxIcIVClMdBTDyXviYtCoD9eooItYEUzKAvb29OuPG3oHmlJrPXp5ZQ8Z31DjxZA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <004801cb04d6$e9740b80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <004801cb04d6$e9740b80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 23:29:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18197 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 9 kcs Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m203.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039cdbc9d0d4c0ad00132d1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, G3KEV wrote: ...>Information is also scarce in the UK especially about receiving capabilities, what is being heard especially alpha signals, strength, audibility and general band noise. If you read previous posts to this reflector on the subject, you will know that the receive side of things is fairly straightforward. What is being heard on 9kHz is QRN and QRM, except for very short range "induction" tests, where the signals can be audible. If you cannot receive the "Alpha" beacons in the UK, it probably means they are not transmitting, or your RX or antenna have stopped working. But, although they may be interesting in themselves, they are largely irrelevant as a measure of 9kHz receive performance, since they are on a different frequency, are vastly more powerful than amateur signals, and for the DX tests that have been done, have a much wider bandwidth / shorter duration compared to the amateur signals. A better test of receiver performance at 9kHz is to compare the noise level with and without the antenna. Since the RX or preamp noise level can be strongly dependent on the source impedance, it is best to replace the actual antenna with a "dummy antenna" with similar impedance when making this comparison. For example, for my loop antenna, I have a change-over switch that connects the preamp input to a small choke with about the same inductance and resistance as the actual antenna. This enables quick comparisons to be made between noise levels at different times and locations, and is also a good check on the local QRM level. Obviously, you want the antenna noise level to be at least several dB greater than that with the dummy antenna, which is usually easily achieved. The general band signal and noise levels are being regularly monitored at several locations - you can see the info at http://abelian.org/. But you already know that... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU