Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi11.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-8ba14c1220093e3; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:37:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mi11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0D7033800010E; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ON2Wr-0002Ps-56 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:36:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ON2Wq-0002Pj-PC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:36:04 +0100 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ON2Wo-0000Y2-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:36:04 +0100 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de (fwd09.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1ON2Wn-0008Gg-2l; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:36:01 +0200 Received: from df2py (SsQQ36ZOghwvfYg463CLTIzRUfZok5HkVbZGfVr6uhENK7nKkuV4yEgXe1gdCYJwiO@[80.187.101.41]) by fwd09.t-online.de with esmtp id 1ON2Wg-0slkxM0; Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:35:54 +0200 From: "Wolf Ostwald" To: References: <4C0C10E1.4090804@freenet.de><4C0C15BB.9010602@gmx.com><4C0C1960.5050708@freenet.de><4C0C1C35.2080401@gmx.com><4C0EB8AC.2070508@freenet.de> <53EF46B489244A09B02F194D6CD79DAB@df2py> <4C101E1F.7010501@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <3E76E4DCF3684D3E99582E065CA7486E@df2py> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C39@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <5E86B9622E084C7AABBED3AA4DF93ABF@df2py> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C3A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:36:36 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsIKGjKsK5UVdcJTRaNiexvv3fsSgALocogABnAVncABD9bsAABmvf+ACDjGyA= In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C3A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000DDD42F76C12F0E4CAA702CEF260BB34EA47F2D00 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-ID: SsQQ36ZOghwvfYg463CLTIzRUfZok5HkVbZGfVr6uhENK7nKkuV4yEgXe1gdCYJwiO X-TOI-MSGID: 898440f9-d446-4a0a-b646-3a72bd504738 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: move from loop to loaded aerial Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CB096B.20297690" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/59664 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039400cded34c122005749d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CB096B.20297690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello group ! After all the efforts, with a reasonable large loop, seem to be to no avail, I am going to move to a loaded radiator. Either vertical or longwire. A radiator with a relatively small active length should more or less have a spherical pattern. Hence the geometrical orientation, may it be vertical or horizontal, should not have a big effect on the spherical pattern. Is this assumption rite or not ? A horizontal span could be easier be longer than a vertical one. I am not talking about a large structure like Stefan`s kite, I am talking about a more "average ham`s "-antenna like a 25m vertical, which can stay put for frequent testing and experiments. 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