Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.7]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC053-a9694c28628d1ae; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:51:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-di03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DE4E138001665; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OTA2V-0000pL-8a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:50:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OTA2U-0000pC-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:50:02 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OTA2T-0003p8-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:50:02 +0100 Received: by bwz15 with SMTP id 15so2788376bwz.16 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 01:49:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jKG9OEOk6k8fddGdXSKkSw0JDpSjgqycBwrNeC/iahI=; b=OC0HbGB+5SMcA3ghvI4Vs/XLYjvtF8AuSGM4LfvWzyv6AehQCoGe49/pbLnk7RUfEY HWJk3SMJzcqRTTft5jg4I5V2usTtrXQZUHyK/6NI0lm76oXJxbyzkG8D/ofxbWn4Ng8V BY1oxLqpuwHaSNAMfq3vdMlu5IBAqbs3rJOXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=A+uakEI+60vRjt/M4kp6qJnmU1JnSLyCzSFJtlf5CqbQrsW4y81Wmki9kKyG5VmEDz iEGkwF/NGTdibS0NeEkdu4vmThjumoQr0b2qPfdjtP75ZANYtbVWN9eOaAawg4Z8ZRuW jH2Rz4ZQs4P4t1ZqH1pqn46mEajktNZ4nIWGw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.81.222 with SMTP id y30mr3319343bkk.155.1277714998349; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 01:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.73.4 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 01:49:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001401cb1645$ce9e81c0$4001a8c0@lark> References: <6D39CC1F4253463CB8570333737E59AA@PCCasa> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C1D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C2E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <8585FA1C733D9A42AEA98C724D8FB811C053AA@FBCMST18V01.fbc.local> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C30@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <48711884B26B40129A1D43EBB493A6BF@PCCasa> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C69@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <001401cb1645$ce9e81c0$4001a8c0@lark> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:49:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: AW: Problems with RSGB LF reflector Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db2d1199cf71048a1334c7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d305.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40074c2862864d2c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6db2d1199cf71048a1334c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me make my suggestion made a month or so back again:* form A Yahoo group called "LF_Reflector".* Apart from (some occasional) delays in post= , which in my experience are very rare, these are the advantages: - messages accessible via the web page if req (avoids mailboxes) or by ema= il - messages can be sent in daily digests if preferred - 100GB of available files and photos storage - multiple moderators to keep out spam possible, with different degrees of privilages - all archived messages readable on the web for ever - useful links page - databases (useful to show who is active, when etc) - calendars (post reminders of 8.97kHz tests etc) - polls ( check opinions on issues, ideas) .....etc Being a member of several Yahoo groups and moderator of two I can say that they work well, 99% of the time with no hassle. By comparison this reflect= or does seem very "1990s technology". I do take the point about instant acces= s, but in my experience of GQRP Yahoo group access time to get a new post visible is rarely longer than 2 minutes. And it is free. 73s Roger G3XBM On 27 June 2010 23:03, Alan Melia wrote: > I am not the list-owner but I often pick up these queries on his behalf.= We > have had this problem before and it is nothing to do with the RSGB list. > The > problem lies in aggressive spam blocking of one of the intermediate node= s > or > even the blacksheep service provider. I am afraid in the past we have ha= d > little success clearing this problem. I suggest Daniele starts with his= own > service provider and askeds them why they are not able to deliver. Certa= in > addresses have been tagged as transporters of significant volumes of spa= m > and many of these are now blacklisted out of hand. It is an easy solutio= n > for the ISP. If you (Daniele) had been having trouble with the blackshee= p > system you would not have had a fail message........blacksheep just dump= s > messages it doesnt like and does not send responses to avoid the > "ping-pong" > effect. If Daniele has another mail address I suggest he tried that to= see > if that will get through. He will not be able to unsubscribe his alice.i= t > address from any other address, and it may mean he will get two copies= of > every posting. If he genuinely wants to unsubscribe an address he should > amil me directly and I will passon a reqyest for the owner to do it. > > Sorry for the problems > Alan G3NYK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > To: "Daniele Tincani" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:04 PM > Subject: LF: AW: Problems with RSGB LF reflector > > > Dear LF administrators, > > Daniele sent me this mail since he has problems (see below). Could anybo= dy > from the administrators help him? I think i do not have the authority to > unsubscribe him ;-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > ________________________________ > > Von: Daniele Tincani [mailto:daniele.tincani@alice.it] > Gesendet: So 27.06.2010 10:57 > An: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Betreff: Problems with RSGB LF reflector > > > Hello Stefan, > > my apologies for bothering you with this issue. > Currently I'm not able anymore to send messages to the RSGB LF reflector= . > I always get errors from my e-mail provider saying that "the recipient's > destination email system is unknown or invalid". > For the same reason I cannot unsubscribe neither I can try to re-subscri= be. > Could you kindly try to unsubscribe daniele.tincani@alice.it > on my behalf? > Then I would try to subscribe from a different address. > > Many thanks > Daniele > > > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0016e6db2d1199cf71048a1334c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me make my suggestion made a month or so back again: form A Yahoo= group=A0 called "LF_Reflector". Apart from (some occasional= ) delays in post, which in my experience are very rare, these are the adva= ntages:

- messages accessible via the web page if req (avoids mailboxes) or by= email
- messages can be sent in daily digests if preferred
- 100GB= of available files and photos storage
- multiple moderators to keep ou= t spam possible, with different degrees of privilages
- all archived messages readable on the web for ever
- useful links pag= e
- databases (useful to show who is active, when etc)
- calendars= (post reminders of 8.97kHz tests etc)
- polls ( check opinions on issu= es, ideas)
=A0 .....etc

Being a member of several Yahoo groups and moderator= of two I can say that they work well, 99% of the time with no hassle. By= comparison this reflector does seem very "1990s technology". I= do take the point about instant access, but in my experience of GQRP Yaho= o group access time to get a new post visible is rarely longer than 2 minu= tes.

And it is free.

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 27 June 2010 23:03, Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
I am not the li= st-owner but I often pick up these queries on his behalf. We
have had this problem before and it is nothing to do with the RSGB list.= The
problem lies in aggressive spam blocking of one of the intermediate nodes= or
even the blacksheep service provider. I am afraid in the past we have had<= br> little success clearing this problem. I suggest Daniele starts with his ow= n
service provider and askeds them why they are not able to deliver. Certain=
addresses have been tagged as transporters of significant volumes of spam<= br> and many of these are now blacklisted out of hand. It is an easy solution<= br> for the ISP. If you (Daniele) had been having trouble with the blacksheep<= br> system you would not have had a fail message........blacksheep just dumps<= br> messages it doesnt like and does not send responses to avoid the "pin= g-pong"
effect. If Daniele has another mail address I suggest he tried that to see=
if that will get through. He will not be able to unsubscribe his alice.it
address from any other address, and it may mean he will get two copies of<= br> every posting. If he genuinely wants to unsubscribe an address he should amil me directly and I will passon a reqyest for the owner to do it.

Sorry for the problems
Alan G3NYK



----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>
To: "Daniele Tincani" <daniele.tincani@alice.it>
Cc: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: LF: AW: Problems with RSGB LF reflector


Dear LF administrators,

Daniele sent me this mail since he has problems (see below). Could anybody=
from the administrators help him? I think i do not have the authority to unsubscribe him ;-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

________________________________

Von: Daniele Tincani [mailto:d= aniele.tincani@alice.it]
Gesendet: So 27.06.2010 10:57
An: Stefan Sch=E4fer
Betreff: Problems with RSGB LF reflector


Hello Stefan,

my apologies for bothering you with this issue.
Currently I'm not able anymore to send messages to the RSGB LF reflect= or.
I always get errors from my e-mail provider saying that "the recipien= t's
destination email system is unknown or invalid".
For the same reason I cannot unsubscribe neither I can try to re-subscribe= .
Could you kindly try to unsubscribe daniele.tincani@alice.it
<mailto:daniele.tincani@ali= ce.it> =A0on my behalf?
Then I would try to subscribe from a different address.

Many thanks
Daniele






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