Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.219]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD012-8b754c1a7d183d9; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:52:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D405A3800163E; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OPL7x-0000qU-VB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:51:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OPL7x-0000qL-GZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:51:53 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f43.google.com ([209.85.161.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OPL7u-0006J6-Tg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:51:53 +0100 Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so251362fxm.16 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:51:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1VTZyodyNnG+zXlyvvK/nLacPElPIW46PyiLuUf+rjQ=; b=lfbS1SzzvOgd7jsp2ZQm5+32xE0bCXdR8DJX7cYQVYvsK2vQ3inC3oWGg1K2ZNiUk3 WUDwB61bkTOp0h1zVaaNWqXiltwdEL4C3Hsszu9XZFuPVJqzaEiML/tax67Bt78lbExc yO51Pbel2JamtvaqKC7j1PyhQAtf9z5gf6NxE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=d55MSAyWXRodq5hkk6GlkBjf8+c2U1+61sOJUrEkIKMSAcdpHrNY/uq/37viFFROaf ZMhTdWiHC8P5WNKb+zlz7fBoQKGeoOBx6UMxHHXZ6135xsHWTP/YmqAJZOsKegL7HvZh 7bGDtvADTjYXZa7ZYpdjblVj0L+1quAs5Qu7k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.161.201 with SMTP id s9mr25510bkx.19.1276804304707; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.100.69 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:51:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:51:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Licence / NOVs etc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325558e4e07a07004893f2bbd X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60db4c1a7d166a19 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325558e4e07a07004893f2bbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Brian, The official line is, I believe, that any form of communication by electricity, wireless or whatever you call it below 9kHz does need a permit from OFCOM as such communications are covered by the Wireless Telegraphy Act and its amendments. Others may have a more informed view. Unofficially, I am taking the view that earth-mode at 4W on sub-9kHz is unlikely to cause a problem, so I'm carrying on my tests whilst waiting for an NoV (3 months now waiting patiently). If I decide to run 100W or more in these tests then I think I should wait for official clearance. Likewise I think others in the UK considering radiated tests using high power on 8.97kHz or thereabouts are waiting. I'm unsure of lightbeam transmissions: clearly we don't need NoVs to shine torches, use a microwave oven or turn on the headlights, but maybe OFCOM would require it if asked, HI. 73s Roger G3XBM On 17 June 2010 20:29, Brian Reay wrote: > Not intended as loaded questions or to stir a row: > > What are the licence requirements for a VLF transmitter which doesn't use > an antenna but "transmits" via the ground? > > Are all ("DC to light") frequencies covered by the various acts of > Parliament (WTA etc) covering such things on the more widely used > frequencies? > > As a general comment, I'm finding the various posts re the VLF experiments, > esp. those below 10kHz, totally absorbing. > > 73 > Brian > > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325558e4e07a07004893f2bbd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian,

The official line is, I believe, that any form of communicat= ion by electricity, wireless or whatever you call it below 9kHz does need= a permit from OFCOM as such communications are covered by the Wireless Te= legraphy Act and its amendments. Others may have a more informed view.

Unofficially, I am taking the view that earth-mode at 4W on sub-9kHz= is unlikely to cause a problem, so I'm carrying on my tests whilst wa= iting for an NoV (3 months now waiting patiently).=A0 If I decide to run= 100W or more in these tests then I think I should wait for official clear= ance. Likewise I think others in the UK considering radiated tests using= high power on 8.97kHz or thereabouts are waiting.

I'm unsure of lightbeam transmissions: clearly we don't need= NoVs to shine torches, use a microwave oven or turn on the headlights, bu= t maybe OFCOM would require it if asked, HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM
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On 17 June 2010 20:29, Brian Reay <g8osn.news@gmail.= com> wrote:
Not intended as loaded questions or to stir a row:

What= are the licence requirements for a VLF transmitter which doesn't use= an antenna but "transmits" via the ground?

Are all ("DC to light") frequencies covered by the various acts= of Parliament (WTA etc) covering such things on the more widely used freq= uencies?

As a general comment, I'm finding th= e various posts re the VLF experiments, esp. those below 10kHz, totally ab= sorbing.

73
Brian
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