Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.12]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-86524c1a88b43d9; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:42:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 39E5638000749; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OPLty-0003md-Uk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:41:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OPLty-0003mU-FS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:41:30 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OPLtv-0007UA-FS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:41:30 +0100 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so92867bwz.16 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:41:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vSkfdFjd86t9SiHO+jRUK3Oh05BYPo5Ic3pafGTasbQ=; b=qMmyPboMcsgHHung7yx0QdLgEmZEhBPtbqy1Wmmt5CoPk2GQy34hxIeJsZXhTHmrVQ Bx3jlKThkSCmvk1E4VJ0y9X/i7g3tHCZlIDnF2b2Jbs1u94sjInrZeHvKyQ6pfDcr+R3 7aG6rlB12ywgDZhba8Ew8H+yyDwE6MhGPwqII= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=W+oIHrNWmklMgIRiH9XFJIC+/a4GHdBQ+h9BE+4TnV2WU0KyXInwN83l8sVnH2vc8q bClmQwsd7DyYMUwWSWyZe4oUFuub00Q0Su1T1SivubRTylpaR+OSm8rnUPdO4JpCtaLX Xk/HXLbxDp6115jOU2OyIdT7VLS5rRG3ZW3r4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.161.201 with SMTP id s9mr71755bkx.19.1276807286713; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.100.69 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 21:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Earth electrode loop and 500kHz ERP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325558e4ec56f2604893fdc80 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m233.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d400c4c1a88b36d4e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325558e4ec56f2604893fdc80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For a hand-drawn sketch "system diagram" showing the ground points, wire routing of the earth electrode loop antenna, please visit my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ These notes are to clarify the diagram... - I'm using this earth electrode "antenna" to TX with on 500kHz and on sub-9kHz. It has not been tried on 136kHz (yet). - The wire runs down the garden fence (1.5m above ground) from the far electrode (1.5m in the soil) then coming up along the study roof to the upstairs bedroom where it connects to the inner of a coax cable. The outer of the coax is grounded to the copper pipes of the central heating system at this point. - The copper pipes within the house eventually join with the water pipes in the street (to the right in the diagram). - From the feed point, a 10m long coax goes through the house to the front bedroom where I have my 5W out transverter for 500kHz and my 4W sub-9kHz TX beacon. - No attempt at matching this has been made at all on 500kHz - I just connected to the wire and radiator at the end of the coax. On sub-9kHz I use a step-up transformer to match to around 40-60 ohms resistive (measured). - The local rock (below about 2m of limy soil) is chalky "clunch". - On 500kHz I've measured 34V with a diode probe at the feed point at the end of the coax in the rear bedroom (LHS of the house in the diagram) where it is grounded to the radiator and the wire starts its journey down the garden. Questions: 1. Now, how big is the loop thus formed? 2. How much of this is within the ground? 3. What is the 500kHz ERP likely to be? Best report this evening so far is -26dB S/N from G0KTN at 210kms. 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325558e4ec56f2604893fdc80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For a hand-drawn sketch "system diagram" showing the ground poin= ts, wire routing of the earth electrode loop antenna, please visit my blog= at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.c= om/

These notes are to clarify the diagram...
  • I'm using thi= s earth electrode "antenna" to TX with on 500kHz and on sub-9kHz= . It has not been tried on 136kHz (yet).
  • The wire runs down the= garden fence (1.5m above ground) from the far electrode (1.5m in the soil= ) then coming up along=20 the study roof to the upstairs bedroom where it connects to the inner of= a=20 coax cable. The outer of the coax is grounded to the copper pipes of the= =20 central heating system at this point.
  • The copper pipes within the= house eventually join with=20 the water pipes in the street (to the right in the diagram).
  • From= the feed point, a 10m long coax goes through the house to the front bedro= om where I have my 5W out transverter for 500kHz and my 4W sub-9kHz TX beacon.
  • No attempt at matching this has been made at all on 500kHz - I just= connected to the wire and radiator at the end of the coax. On sub-9kHz I use a step-up transformer to match= to around 40-60 ohms resistive (measured).
  • The local rock (below= about 2m of limy soil) is chalky "clunch".
  • On 500kHz I&= #39;ve measured 34V with a diode probe at the feed point at the=20 end of the coax in the rear bedroom (LHS of the house in the diagram)=20 where=20 it is grounded to the radiator and the wire starts its journey down the=20 garden.
Questions:
  1. Now, how big is the loop thus formed?
  2. How= much of this is within the=20 ground?
  3. What is the 500kHz ERP likely to be?
Best report this evening so far is -26dB S/N from G0KTN at 210kms.

73s
Roger G3XBM
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