Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-8bb74c28f115174; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:59:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 53465380001A4; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OTJXH-0000RG-RV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:58:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OTJXH-0000R7-AP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:58:27 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OTJXG-00066A-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:58:27 +0100 Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so248473bwz.16 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:58:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=E/UcW3yCraJNqRK75nQ2r1vNsWMqaAT8sH0+BnuE+y4=; b=VDL54KG3FgBijNnINzLu4kxbWaaIDDiZwnauvVKzrLkecIu4MTr1cObUQxw+0pQnBW 7vb232V65EBMRC1jnlgPnKmmtXRR70tEVhpj2NWGxO+ve4HHFONlo7rjEjkWF23u/bPG vVIxXTgR0PMK+Sc17NUW45C8Z9DRTWFFEm3m4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BMtosjFLNrutdph69VIYQSIsFysaE5yja/eRUy/oI9jEquIhIPICHRUWuSO/Yc0ytM pywcf9Uad+4Z5f1QtAs0Wn1TcWyxNtYo7Xb6JqkJw/imSzgADlgxQXgSEY7e82ElXBwO BDBWxdIrdwazHQnGF4UMMBx+2qN099te8EZ1w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.81.230 with SMTP id y38mr3949856bkk.119.1277751505118; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.73.4 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:58:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8CCE4CC6D348A2F-1EFC-14A7C@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:58:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: VLF: Strong drifting carrier on VLF! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dd8cfe92e51c048a1bb42e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d267.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494c28f1107982 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6dd8cfe92e51c048a1bb42e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is why I was wondering if it was a signal generated by the HAARP syst= em using non-linear ionospheric mixing. Two HF signals of sufficient strength could produce such a signal without needing VLF antennas at all. This has been done as part of the HAARP experiments before. BTW, exactly what is the HAARP system really about? Is the US trying to meddle with the weather, alter the course of global warming, or just thinking up another stupid way of wasting their taxpayers money on another defence initiative? 73s Roger G3XBM On 28 June 2010 19:44, Dave G3WCB wrote: > Dear LF, > > The mystery signal starts at 12 kHz, and sweeps up to 23 kHz over a peri= od > of a few hours, which is nearly an octave. What sort of antenna system= would > be in use to allow that sort of frequency coverage? There must have been= a > lot of variometer twiddling and tap-changing going on! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *Markus Vester > *Sent:* 28 June 2010 12:30 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: VLF: Strong drifting carrier on VLF! > > > this is curious... wish I was at home and could attempt to get a bearing= . > Paul's http://abelian.org/vlf/spectrum.shtml has directional loop spectr= a > but unfortunately it hasn't updated since Jun 24. During the unid test > transmissions, there were / are irregularities in the four-hourly schedu= le > of JXN 16.4 kHz, but this may be coincidence. > > Best 73, > Markus > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: pws > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Verschickt: Mo., 28. Jun. 2010, 12:45 > Thema: Re: VLF: Strong drifting carrier on VLF! > > Hi, > > Stefan wrote: > > > ...Currently there is a very strong (abt 30 dB S/N) drifting carrier= that > started about 7:30 UTC on abt 12 kHz and is moving now up on 14 kHz... > > ... and further up. Visible also at North Germany on all my > VLF/LF-monitors. That's one of those rare "staircases" which have been > observed up to 30 kHz in the past. Cannot do some RDF from where I am no= w. > > 73 from Kiel, > Peter > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0016e6dd8cfe92e51c048a1bb42e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is why I was wondering if it was a signal generated by the HAARP syst= em using non-linear ionospheric mixing. Two HF signals of sufficient stren= gth could produce such a signal without needing VLF antennas at all. This= has been done as part of the HAARP experiments before.

BTW, exactly what is the HAARP system really about? Is the US trying= to meddle with the weather, alter the course of global warming, or just= thinking up another stupid way of wasting their taxpayers money on anothe= r defence initiative?

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 28 June 2010= 19:44, Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Dear=20 LF,
=A0
The=20 mystery signal starts at 12 kHz, and sweeps up to 23 kHz over a period of= a few=20 hours, which is nearly an octave. What sort of antenna system would be in= use to=20 allow that sort of frequency coverage? There must have been a lot of vario= meter=20 twiddling and tap-changing going on!
=A0
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Or= iginal Message-----
From:=20 = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Markus= =20 Vester
Sent: 28 June 2010 12:30
To:=20 rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: Strong drifting=20 carrier on VLF!


this is curious... wish I was at home=A0and could attempt= to get=20 a bearing. Paul's http://abelian.org/vlf/spectrum.shtml=20 has directional loop spectra but unfortunately it hasn't updated sin= ce Jun 24.=20 During the unid test transmissions, there=A0were / are irregularities in= =20 the=A0four-hourly schedule of JXN 16.4 kHz, but this may be coincidence.= =20
=A0
Best 73,
Markus


=A0
-----Urspr=FCngliche=20 Mitteilung-----
Von: pws <pws@legal-medicine.de>
An:=20 rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Verschickt: Mo., 28. Jun. 2010,=20 12:45
Thema: Re: VLF: Strong drifting carrier on VLF!

Hi,

Stefan wrote:

> ...Currently there is a very strong (abt 30 dB S/N) drifting carrier=
 that=20
started about 7:30 UTC on abt 12 kHz and is moving now up on 14 kHz...

... and further up. Visible also at North Germany on all my
VLF/LF-monitors. That's one of those rare "staircases" which=
 have been
observed up to 30 kHz in the past. Cannot do some RDF from where I am now.

73 from Kiel,
Peter



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