Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.217]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF044-8be84c050c9d85; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:35:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3D74138000103; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OJRc2-0003da-Pm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:34:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OJRc2-0003dR-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:34:34 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f43.google.com ([209.85.161.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OJRc0-0005CK-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:34:34 +0100 Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so478126fxm.16 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:34:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=txNHatnQeyyPFqsDbhkes0GxFnnSM8cYb8FJNMVyJKk=; b=jbjPkl/3ic/Qj3H7in0LPZxJ8BFCjhsYZVV7KwIqF0NDdN9kZ9rTK2c5VQxnp5uiMf DTHDh9d0dy7vbC1hkm+27yvr+DR23IymG620DkSwASXxUmN5v3nk9YTAUp8zSGRyLTH4 DC9IxWDXLwVukkKQQ0X/R3YNat1T/a1vHxRro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=oBktEEHLOVnDAko0sjE9S/+fLTLdhQ8epQuLOWyaAQsvnXAHMKiRZ3TBrxN7TCYLtq VinzO/g3DmlqzdB0vbkJ6e/DL/M8yWwXNfXGBz094YQTQiErDgILcwEPwPTc9U9yDDzG DzHc9hE+lkoROH0fZQhkIA+FjfMpMtZA8So9A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.83.72 with SMTP id e8mr667798bkl.102.1275399265984; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 06:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.52.141 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 06:34:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C0505F3.23023.3198CFC@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1OJR3q-0nK4tk0@fwd09.t-online.de> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 14:34:25 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QRO / QRP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d96d6032248c0487f8087c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m205.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d94c050c9a7bb6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d96d6032248c0487f8087c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Unfair to microwavers.:-( At 10GHz that's 14 microns by 28um by 42um long Andy www.g4jnt.com On 1 June 2010 14:13, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Ha-Jo, > > interesting approach that QRP not only includes power (input, output, ERP > ...) but also dimensions. > I can live with that, on the condition that the dimensions are given in > wavelengths ;-) > So if a rig of 4cm high, 8cm wide and 12 cm long is QRP on 80m then any rig > smaller than 1m high, 2m wide and 3m long is QRP on 137kHz. > Shouldn't be a aproblem for most of us ;-) > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de [ > hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de] > Verzonden: dinsdag 1 juni 2010 14:58 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: QRO / QRP > > Dear all, > > for the "Minimum Art Session" (MAS) pioneered by DJ7ST I have built a > small two stage 80 m TX (3 watts output) which fits into the pocket of > my trousers or jacket. > > If You can do the same with your LF transmitter it would also be really > QRP. > > HW? > > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB > > > "Mike Dennison" schrieb: > > I run a 650W transmitter on 137kHz to radiate 350mW ERP. Is that QRO > > or QRP? Or both simultaneously? > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > ========== > > > > > --0016e6d96d6032248c0487f8087c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unfair to microwavers.:-(
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At=A010GHz that's 14 microns by 28um by 42um long
On 1 June 2010 14:13, Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.ku= leuven.be> wrote:
Hello Ha-Jo,

interestin= g approach that QRP not only includes power (input, output, ERP ...) but= also dimensions.
I can live with that, on the condition that the dimensions are given in wa= velengths ;-)
So if a rig of 4cm high, 8cm wide and 12 cm long is QRP= on 80m then any rig smaller than 1m high, 2m wide and 3m long is QRP on= 137kHz.
Shouldn't be a aproblem for most of us ;-)

73, Rik =A0ON7YD -= OR7T

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Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg [owner-rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org] namens hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de [hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de]
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 juni 2010 14:58
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF:= QRO / QRP

Dear all,

for the "Minimum Art Session&q= uot; (MAS) pioneered by DJ7ST I have built a
small two stage 80 m TX (3= watts output) which fits into the pocket of
my trousers or jacket.

If You can do the same with your LF transmitter it would also be reall= y
QRP.

HW?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Mike Dennison= " <mike.dennison@ntl= world.com> schrieb:
> I run a 650W transmitter on 137kHz to radiate 350mW ERP. Is that QRO<= br>> or QRP? Or both simultaneously?
>
> Mike, G3XDV
>= ; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>

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