Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi01.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF073-8bf34c0523a6355; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:13:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 339EE380000B5; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OJT9B-0007Rf-8v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:12:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OJT9A-0007RW-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:12:52 +0100 Received: from smtp-out09a.alice.it ([85.33.3.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OJT97-0001yQ-By for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:12:52 +0100 Received: from FBCMMO02.fbc.local ([192.168.68.196]) by smtp-OUT09A.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:12:43 +0200 Received: from FBCMST18V01.fbc.local ([192.168.178.96]) by FBCMMO02.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:12:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 x-originating-ip: 151.99.187.181 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:11:00 +0200 Message-ID: <8585FA1C733D9A42AEA98C724D8FB811C053A4@FBCMST18V01.fbc.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <8585FA1C733D9A42AEA98C724D8FB811C053A4@FBCMST18V01.fbc.local> Thread-Topic: LF: RE: QRP thread-index: AcsBgEi80g5hvi7GTxi1ppWiuvXkXQAHFxTe References: <9B1ACF98A3384489B37FABB5028106E9@IBM7FFA209F07C><000001cb017b$c56e81b0$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2010 15:12:41.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[E165EB30:01CB019C] X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB019C.E13F6652" Subject: R: LF: RE: QRP X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/59263 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039400cdec94c0523a532b8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB019C.E13F6652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roger, LF, what could it be the corresponding attitude for a radio listener, in your= opinion? Cheers D. ________________________________ Da: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org per conto di Roger Lapthorn Inviato: mar 01/06/2010 13.42 A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Oggetto: Re: LF: RE: QRP There is a time and a place for both QRO and QRP. * QRO is useful to "extend possibilities" by exploiting new modes of pro= pagation or when lower power simply wouldn't be enough e.g. moon bounce on= UHF, scatter modes on microwaves, or frontier DX work on 8.97kHz.=20 =20 * QRP time and again proves to me that, in very many situations, high po= wer is both a waste of time and energy. On HF a few watts (even handheld)= is enough to work the world on SSB as well as CW, even in sunspot minimum= years. It just takes a little more effort and skill both on the part of= the TXing station and on the RXing station. On MF last winter 1mW ERP was= enough to achieve far more than I could have wished for and I appreciated= the efforts made by many to detect my weak signals, including Mal working= me on CW. =20 QRP is a personal choice and it has been my personal interest for most of= my ham operating life: it is fun, gear is simple and inexpensive to make,= TVI is never an issue and energy requirements are minimal. It is not for= everyone and I respect that, but I do commend it. 73s Roger G3XBM On 1 June 2010 12:15, g3zjo wrote: >Absolutely CORRECT Mal, I totally agree. >Chris, G4AYT. =20 I don't want to join in with any tit for tat stuff, please= don't lets go there. =20 Mal has very good antennas I am sure he can receive my 500kHz QRPp sig= nal although he has never admitted it. Lee M0LMH, the Bloodhound, certainly can at 194km 120miles under flat= conditions; he can also set up a Grabber and display my signal. =20 So lets draw a circle 120miles radius from IO92ng. Any station within= that circle should be able to receive my signal too, given a not too fant= astic set up, I think Lee has described his set up in that way. If they ca= n't, then their Receiver or Antenna could be improved and also enable them= to receive signals from, say the Czech Republic. =20 Would me increasing my power until I can be seen on the Broad Band Gra= bbers improve the performance of their set up, because now they would most= likely receive me. Or does QRO cover for mediocre RX and Antennas. =20 A stupid question but no worse than some of the prior 'Stupid Criminal= s' posts. =20 Eddie G3ZJO=20 =20 =20 =20 --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk =20 http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB019C.E13F6652 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IioPAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEADwAAAFI6IExGOiBSRTogUVJQAHwD AQWAAwAOAAAA2gcGAAEAEQALAAAAAgAGAQEggAMADgAAANoHBgABABEADAApAAIAMAEBCYABACEA AABFRTc2MzU0QzcwMTQzNjQ3OUUxNEZFRjRGMjA4N0FGRgBCBwEDkAYAVB0AADoAAAADADYAAAAA AEAAOQDMfhClnAHLAR4APQABAAAABAAAAFI6IAACAUcAAQAAADAAAABjPVVTO2E9IDtwPWZiYzts PUZCQ01TVDE4VjAxLTEwMDYwMTE1MTI0MVotMTE5MwAeAEkAAQAAABAAAABSZTogTEY6IFJFOiBR UlAAQABOAIDHJId/AcsBHgBaAAEAAAAjAAAAb3duZXItcnNnYl9sZl9ncm91cEBibGFja3NoZWVw 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