Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.12]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF053-8beb4c2626b9fb; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:11:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 20B1E3800008A; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OSXxf-0001xJ-Rh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:10:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OSXxf-0001xA-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:10:31 +0100 Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([74.208.5.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OSXxe-00069H-Fj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:10:31 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Jun 2010 16:10:23 -0000 Received: from 75-168-152-6.mpls.qwest.net (EHLO [192.168.1.100]) [75.168.152.6] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us003) with SMTP; 26 Jun 2010 12:10:23 -0400 X-Authenticated: #60769621 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19peutMWthpxnOqGv2hrIeeyjT1HbXgDOxfSdch7l PjShkk65bGtamG Message-ID: <4C262647.2090604@gmx.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:09:43 -0500 From: Mike-WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: VLF: Near field boundary (Re DK7FC's DFCW600 8.97kHz transmission) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d400c4c2626b172d5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I think this is new to many people. Don't feel alone in not understanding. I sure am learning a lot by these experiments. Mike-WE0H Roger L wrote: > Dear Markus, > > Maths, EM theory and Maxwell's equations were not my strong points at > all, so I'm struggling to understand what you are saying (this is my > weakness and not a weakness in your explanation). > > I /think/ you are saying that at the sort of distances being achieved by > Stefan (~5.2kms) , the H-field component would be slightly weaker than > the E-field, so an E-field probe would result in marginally better > reception? At greater distances, the difference would not be significant. > > Markus, if you have time, I have some more questions: > > * We think Stefan's earth electrode signals are "making the hop" > without being aided by buried utilities. Is there any way of > confirming this from the field strengths measured using both H and > E-field antennas? > * Is Stefan likely to get much further using his earth electrode > antenna? i.e, by radiation > * Do you know (from theory) how a 300m high Marconi vertical and a > 300m long earth electrode antenna are likely to compare as > antennas /radiating /a far field signal? > > Thank you everyone who has been contributing to the discussion and > practical experimentation below 9kHz. It is totally absorbing. I just > wish I was more brainy! > > 73s > Roger G3XBM