Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-b5324c0b8aa5333; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 07:46:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CF49138000127; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 07:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OLEIK-0005CS-6u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:45:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OLEIJ-0005AU-9t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:45:35 +0100 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OLEIH-00039n-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 12:45:35 +0100 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o56BjVMF001481 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:45:31 +0200 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:45:31 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:45:29 +0200 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C24@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C24@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: RX stations in Canada and US? Thread-Index: AcsEzLrgw77wONWkTUyzUI9tpABVnAAhxjKbAAU9i3o= References: <657E7065AC4C454AB63F6C7C2FF043F6@Black> , <003101cb04c2$0913cc10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>,<1607287044.1492139.1275754813942.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb034> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 21.99;05.06.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.9.395186, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.6.6.113027 X-PMX-RELAY: mailout X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,BLANK_LINES_70_80=1.236 Subject: VLF: RX stations in Canada and US? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB056D.C33DCF72" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/59456 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944c0b8aa20598 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB056D.C33DCF72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear VLF, =20 The recent discussions shows that the band is becoming alive, not just by= QRO but also QRP stations, vy fine. So, there are more and more stations= who can receive the signals on 8,97 kHz. =20 What about the canadian stations? These are in the shortest distance to EU= and will become a very important factor in some months when the QRN level= s decrease. Are there already stations who permantently monitor the dreame= rs band (not the whole VLF) with a suitable RX system? Means, not only cop= ying the ALPHAs by ear but having a SLOW QRSS/DFCW window where DFCW-600= or DFCW-6000 can be displayed. Here, it makes no sense to monitor the ALP= HAs and 8,97 kHz in e.g. 4 Hz FFT bandwith, what we need is 4 mHz! So, tha= t one DFCW element takes 10 minutes. Another important step is to have a= STABLE soundcard sample rate. This is well performed in the latest SpecLa= b version. Alternatively a GPS synchronisation or so is necessray! =20 If such stations are "QRV", it would be very fine to set up a grabber so= that every one can watch the QRN/QRM situation over there and gets an imp= ression what could be possible, or not. It would be an important motivatio= n factor! I would try to take the challenge to be monitored over there one= day!=20 This is a little early since the QRN levels are to high up to October i es= timate but the summer time is good for doing experiments and just beeing= outside :-). =20 My latest radiated signal was 5,4 mW and it will depend on, if i will get= this special permission for a 300m vertical (still not achieved :-( ). Bu= t i am optimistic (you know) to have it until the autumn starts. So the ra= diated signal may reach 50 mW (?). =20 If we think about getting 10 dB more S/N by increasing from 100m to 300m= vertical antenna, we could first try to receive something in DFCW-6000= instead of DFCW-600. This will just be a few pixels since transmitting a= "K" would take 5 hours! But it would be a first reception, or not, and sh= ows the S/N that is achieved. Than, we can update our theoretical models= and later it could be tried with faster elements... =20 What do the canadians or US stns think about that? Any REAL interest? =20 Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB056D.C33DCF72 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+Ih4LAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEAIwAAAFZMRjogUlggc3RhdGlvbnMg aW4gQ2FuYWRhIGFuZCBVUz8AKgsBBYADAA4AAADaBwYABgANAC0AHQAAAEQBASCAAwAOAAAA2gcG AAYADQAtAB0AAABEAQEJgAEAIQAAAEIzMjMwOTAzMTgwMzIwNDRCMjJDNkRGMDQ5M0VDNTE4ANsG AQOQBgDsEQAAOAAAAAMANgAAAAAAQAA5AHLPPcNtBcsBHgA9AAEAAAAGAAAAVkxGOiAAAAACAUcA AQAAADIAAABjPURFO2E9IDtwPUhTVDtsPUZJTEUtU0VSVkVSLUhTVC0xMDA2MDYxMTQ1MjlaLTI2 AAAAHgBJAAEAAAA+AAAATEY6IFJFOiAgU3VjY2VzcyB3aXRoIG15IG5ldyBHcm91bmQgQW50ZW5u YSBvbiBEcmVhbWVyJ3MgQmFuZAAAAEAATgCAPSORZgXLAR4AWgABAAAAIwAAAG93bmVyLXJzZ2Jf bGZfZ3JvdXBAYmxhY2tzaGVlcC5vcmcAAAIBWwABAAAAYwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QC AAAAAG93bmVyLXJzZ2JfbGZfZ3JvdXBAYmxhY2tzaGVlcC5vcmcAU01UUABvd25lci1yc2diX2xm 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