Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.214]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-a8464c0bf83e1a6; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:34:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9248A380000AD; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OLLb8-0002T8-AY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:33:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OLLb7-0002Sz-Tv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:33:29 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OLLb4-0005Ja-Ok for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:33:29 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsAKAAeVC0xOk8zV/2dsb2JhbACHY4pGjBdxvUKFFwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,373,1272841200"; d="scan'208";a="301965344" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.204.213]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Jun 2010 20:33:18 +0100 Message-ID: <003301cb05af$1cd5f230$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004801cb04d6$e9740b80$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <001101cb054f$49a29c60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <52F731AEBF244DE99A2D6D5162CE2296@JimPC> <4C0BDEFA.80505@freenet.de> <002301cb05a6$4a0172b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4C0BEAB4.4050509@gmx.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:33:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 9 kcs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64c0bf83b7f9f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mike I suppose the cheapest wire would be 1.5 mm insulated multi strand elec house wire. It is heavy and bulky, another alt would be 1 mm or 1.5 mm formvar insulated motor wire. How about using the wire on the reel as purchased put several in series and maybe even insert some ferrite rods through the centre of the reel. If you try this let me know how it works. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike.WE0H" To: Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: LF: Re: 9 kcs > What would be a good affordable wire to wind a base loading coil from? > It can't be too small diameter or the losses will be huge. That is the > only part of the station that seems like a big undertaking. The rest of > the components are low cost and easy to build. > > Mike > WE0H > > > > Mal wrote: > > > > Wolf. > > > > > > Receiving what ? I am not totally convinced. Receiving a signal a few metres > > away is not what I call a good performance. > > A few hundred K/metres away on cw is what I expect and not QRS 20,000, where > > it takes months to send a DOT. > > It is easy to generate a 9 kcs signal and high power audio amplifiers are > > plentiful to radiate several K/watts to a loaded inverted L 20 + metres > > high. > > This is the easiest band to set up, the only time consuming part is winding > > a suitable loading coil. > > Instead of going to Spain or Portugal for holidays I would suggest > > discerning vlf operators stay at home and wind coils this year. > > I am staying at home this year in case someone performs a MIRACLE and it > > could be a German, English man is scared of being heard using HIGH power. > > I do not want to miss the FUN > > 73 and gl de mal/g3kev >