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(VPS 100618-1, 18/06/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Earth electrode loop area - I'm struggling Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m223.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d34c1be5e42bde X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Roger A quick bit a fudging suggests about 6 (to 12)sq m. equivalent (not guaranteed correct :-)) ). How does that align with your figs? It suggests your aerial (loop) is not in the best direction for him, or possibly you have a skin of good conductive ground over the chalk, so you are not penertrating into the ground so much.. What is your distance from Jim?? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Lapthorn" To: Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 9:29 PM Subject: LF: Earth electrode loop area - I'm struggling > Please can someone help me with the maths? I've been trying to work out my > effective loop area and I cannot get sensible answers. These are the > measured or estimated numbers I have: > > Voltage across "loop" = 24.48V rms - measured > Current flowing in "loop" = 0.15A - measured > ERP (from far field levels) = 50-100uW (may be less) based on -18dB S/N with > M0BMU > > From these figures I should be able to work out the loop area, but either my > calculations are wrong or the figure is correct and the effective loop area > is very very small. > > Help! > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >