Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.11]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-5eb44c15e9d028d; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:35:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-di07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BBF8538000154; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OO56r-0000gb-8A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:33:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OO56l-0000bR-Dt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:33:27 +0100 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OO56f-0007eM-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:33:26 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIIAKKFFUxOkbY1/2dsb2JhbACHY5cWcb4OhRoE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,413,1272841200"; d="dat'59?scan'59,208,59";a="438597332" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.182.53]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 14 Jun 2010 09:33:14 +0100 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:33:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000001cb0b9c$3aff6190$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C4B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000199D99E3253F1248A25A8F5410C3A01784073500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: RE: Static protection when using a soundcard as an Rx Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CB0BA4.9CC3C990" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/59744 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d400b4c15e9cc351f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CB0BA4.9CC3C990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All =20 I think I will add a 600ohm 1:1 transformer to my sound card LF set up= in addition to the diodes I have at present. =20 Incidentally it has suddenly struck me what a loose term 'back to back= ' diodes is. It could be confusing for an enquirer. What is being referr= ed to here is 2 diodes in parallel across the input, one of them one connect= ed one way round and one the other. Back to back diodes is also a term for two diodes in series connected= + to + or - to -, putting the open ends of this combination across the input= would do nothing to protect the circuit. Joining the open ends and placing= that across the input would not be right either. =20 =20 Eddie G3ZJO =20 -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Sch=E4fer [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On= Behalf Of Stefan Sch=E4fer Sent: 13 June 2010 23:54 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: AW: RE: Static protection when using a soundcard as an Rx =20 Hi Brian and also welcome :-) =20 I would combinate back to back diodes with a isolating transformer for audio. A combination of the hints you heared before ;-) The transforme= r prevents galvanic coupling (could become a problem even if your wire= is grounded for high voltages by the diodes) and the diodes on the soundc= ard side are an additional safety factor that reduces voltage spikes. But= the diodes start to conduct already at some 1/10 volts (depending on the temperature) so you may use 2 in series each... =20 73 es gl becoming QRV!! =20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 _____ =20 Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von James Cowburn Gesendet: So 13.06.2010 20:09 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: Static protection when using a soundcard as an Rx Hi Brian =20 Welcome to the reflector. Back to back diodes are good option to lim= it surges and spikes, but others are more qualified than me to advise =20 =20 =20 =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it= is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If= you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must= not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Brian Reay Sent: 13 June 2010 17:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Static protection when using a soundcard as an Rx =20 Hi All,=20 =20 My first post to the reflector. =20 I plan to try using a sound card and a "long wire" (well as long as I= can fit into the garden) antenna and later a kit lofted antenna but I'm concerned re static.=20 =20 =20 Normally I'd add a "dc short" with an inductor but at 10kHz than is a= big inductor. 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