Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dj01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dj01.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.137]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-8ba94c016cd877; Sat, 29 May 2010 15:36:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dj01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2F0713800008B; Sat, 29 May 2010 15:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OIRoa-00046B-B5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:35:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OIRoZ-000462-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:35:23 +0100 Received: from smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.233]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OIRoX-0002Ee-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 May 2010 20:35:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 75695 invoked from network); 29 May 2010 19:35:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Oap7YFP2JDf3nE0qYsjV+8ssrlTn6cjKtzdoQL1/+XAOrMjYOZp5bHapsrjWPkQDWz2VbWsFeMLf9ax4KGD/erZobZgTstf/en90l0IZk3dSHrUljxgPGyr9oy7SZ/IOcjIhhR00rUbTloUA5iFOMJnxIriGZp9SXr8bad94wzM= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1275161715; bh=VUdVScOwMVRngdf9IEHZ+eQzINzhx09bg3JkXz7Aby0=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=wzDYtGG4LHChQulAUJ6FN6XC3z9nYralKtfGNs97DmzGBUkSe8EuZAsCJqAnYU7FaAoPA//Icg+3teUU51yk7N6ibmODIBQfG7enXc1pZqL3AvsMY4jInFw3xvNGAWd135x+WqVgJLocBaL//u/8AZ3xnnLlDhiis6iphv1A5xQ= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.180.205.31 with login) by smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2010 12:35:14 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: btIgDQYVM1l0dOwNjIvxALYYVtf8RXZwkSzIHmp7Mg5ZMQpVufO38jIXC0T532OpfU3C2ui2lHmsQS1tb1nlzK5RsdnZJW0_RTkYWesY.GwdFnoj27hWbd7Y04pAbxStHDZcMRTH4qY5Az_QJh4wKePaP8Mg0ia4ZtnvF5Am6QoQWD5ERPVqAuN.T.hCSfF7XXxinwag0cGewQtI.FzktIFw66PMXmTNepO2OomGbdt3CX_ao6uY6fSYCXDMAUf7AeOxcuQ9antojWjgGe02eKQE3s2lQC.cXPIS X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <002801caff4a$19054900$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <005301caff5d$3092d110$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <005301caff5d$3092d110$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 20:35:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18197 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: VLF SIGS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d259.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039cdbc9d054c016cd76a5e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, Everyone can receive those signals in the UK, even with fairly poor receiving conditions (actually copying the traffic would be another matter - I wouldn't go there ;-)). Most are quite strong, and in a different octave of the spectrum from amateur activity, so not really a good receive performance check - rather like using BBC R4 on 198kHz as a test for 136kHz reception performance. But the frequencies you list are a long way out, a few hundred hertz low. There is spectrum display at http://abelian.org/vlf/spectrum.shtml with station IDs and accurate frequency calibration. Bear in mind that you do need to be able to set the RX frequency within a hertz or less, and have much less drift than that, for the kind of DX tests that have been done recently. Better in that case to dispense with the converter and RX, and just feed the signals direct into a PC sound card - frequency errors will be much smaller, and if you are using a reasonably large antenna, you probably won't even need a preamp. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 7:31 PM Subject: LF: Re: VLF SIGS Does anyone else copy these signals? If not forget about VLF. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: LF: VLF SIGS Not calibrated 16.2, 18.1, 19.4, 20.1, 20.7, 21.8, 23.1, 23.8 Khz All the above freqs active rtty type sigs and strong. nil hrd below 16.2 Khz at present No alpha sigs hrd today mal/g3kev