Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.205]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF103-8bff4bdedc7822a; Mon, 03 May 2010 10:23:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6B9F83800009F; Mon, 3 May 2010 10:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1O8wXE-000347-Ul for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 May 2010 15:22:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1O8wXE-00033y-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 May 2010 15:22:12 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1O8wXB-0002gN-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 May 2010 15:22:12 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0320C51C002 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n4.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.14]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF214F3862 for ; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:22:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.14]) with mapi; Mon, 3 May 2010 16:22:01 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:17:11 +0200 Thread-Topic: LF: FW: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream Thread-Index: AcrqwWJ17m4FZNkuRH2QtjF+SQDTKQACe/r1 Message-ID: References: <7E3FA25571354834A324CF53C8B07FF2@AGB> <243C54244F5A43BB90D4BD0A3E9D5A2D@AGB> <5069A7E9DC9246C3B343D3CEE8395549@AGB>,, ,<24A9F372D1DD41D095B505A551032F7B@AGB> In-Reply-To: <24A9F372D1DD41D095B505A551032F7B@AGB> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: FW: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C19A2156EABICTSSEXC2CAlu_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4bdedc764cc6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C19A2156EABICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, I guess that in theory the 500Hz version should be better (FM with a bette= r modulation index ?) But only if noise is uniform. What about a simultanious session ROS-EME / JT4C ? Both have about the sam= e bandwith. 73, Rik ON7YD ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: maandag 3 mei 2010 15:02 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: FW: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream Thanks Rik Well that was not supposed to happen .. hihi .. Jose had expected the= 500/1 to give the best copy ..... 73 - G .. From: Rik Strobbe Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: FW: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream Graham, this is what I copied last night, but due to some oddity of the refelcter= the message did not come through: ________________________________ Van: Rik Strobbe Verzonden: zondag 2 mei 2010 23:56 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: RE: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream Graham, 500Hz: RX1: <21:18 UTC> <9,3 Hz> XG0NBD@HOTL>:78.W(:2:Y>9O5CMG44:78.W(:2:Y>9O5CMG44> <-30 dB> RX1: <21:23 UTC> <9,3 Hz> > 1234567890:) <-31 dB> RX1: <21:28 UTC> <9,8 Hz> Q>COAD$,R2-F678:3B8#S)(H TZHV8+YJBP= 7_(B"B%/@YNAJI=3D$VF,+ZUT1_BN <-35 dB> RX1: <21:37 UTC> <9,8 Hz> <-3= 8 dB> RX1: <21:42 UTC> <9,3 Hz> BEPHM<>%P27B*//C(?NJ>(M3U:[NWH <-35= dB> RX1: <21:47 UTC> <9,3 Hz> N5ZH2347C4>\$7?MYX-V <-= 37 dB> RX1: <21:52 UTC> <9,3 Hz> <-32 dB> EME: RX1: <21:18 UTC> <13,2 Hz> 1234567890:) <-25 dB= > RX1: <21:23 UTC> <12,7 Hz> 1234567890:) <-22 dB= > RX1: <21:28 UTC> <12,7 Hz> 1234567890:) <-29 dB= > RX1: <21:33 UTC> <12,7 Hz> 2 C?5< H92")G>] <-= 35 dB> RX1: <21:37 UTC> <12,7 Hz> 1234567890:) <-29 dB= > RX1: <21:42 UTC> <12,7 Hz> I>Q&?Y^GW^A8P& <-33= dB> RX1: <21:47 UTC> <12,7 Hz> 1234567890:) <-29 dB= > RX1: <21:51 UTC> <12,7 Hz> 1234567890:) 10W = <-31 dB> My vote goes to EME mode ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: zondag 2 mei 2010 23:48 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream Will reduce to approx 2.5 Watt's per stream at 2300 local Tnx for reports G .. From: Graham Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:24 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: EME / 500/-1 0- 10 Watts per stream Reduced to 10 watts per steam 22-30 hrs local Tnx - G . From: Graham Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: EME / 500/-1 0- 25 Watts per stream Reduced to 25 watts per stream , added 1234567890 to the text Tnx for reports G . From: Graham Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:40 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: EME / 500/-1 0- 40 Watts per stream As of 21-15 local time power set ..40 watts per data stream (may= be too much ?) NB : Pls run x2 session's of ros for comparative test Will run till round midnight Thanks for the reports via the email system and the ref 73 - G From: Graham Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:28 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: ROS EME / 500/-1 0- Reduced power I am reducing power to 1 watt Ae feed to allow Gary to do some low= level checks will qro later G .. From: Graham Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:10 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: ROS EME / 500/-1 Bit speed 502.00 KHz Dual mode ROS Beacon running , check for activity >> http://www.wireles= s.org.uk/grab/ ROS EME ROS 500 Hz / 1 Bit speed Dial set 502.000 KHz USB Dual reception by running two sessions of ROS . , set eme and HF= 500 rx 1 bit speed select the minimum AFC range The HF 500/1 bit should out perform the eme mode Software download >> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ Reports welcome via ref or the auto email mode Note - Due to low af drive level - NO RX - Tnx - G . --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C19A2156EABICTSSEXC2CAlu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
 
I guess that in theory the 500Hz ver= sion should be better (FM with a better modulation index ?)
But only if noise is uniform.
 
What about a simultanious session RO= S-EME / JT4C ? Both have about the same bandwith.
 
73, Rik  ON7YD
 
Van: owner-rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham= [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk]
Verzonden: maandag 3 mei 2010 15:02
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: FW: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream

Thanks  Rik
 
Well  that  was not = supposed to  happen .. hihi .. Jose had expected the  500/1 to&= nbsp; give the  best  copy ..... 
 
73 - G ..

Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: LF: FW: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream

Graham,
 
this is what I copied last night, bu= t due to some oddity of the refelcter the message did not come through:
 
Van: Rik Strobbe=
Verzonden: zondag 2 mei 2010 23:56
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: RE: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream

Graham,
 
500Hz:

RX1: <21:18 UTC> <9,3 Hz> XG0NBD@HOTL>:78.W(:2:Y>9O5CMG44 <CANC= EL> <-30 dB>

RX1: <21:23 UTC> <9,3 Hz> <G0NBD@HOTMAO\.CKM= > 1234567890:) <STOP> <-31 dB>

RX1: <21:28 UTC> <9,8 Hz> <G0NBD@HEX2\>Q>COAD$,R2-= F678:3B8#S)(H TZHV8+YJBP7_(B"B%/@YNAJI=3D$VF,+ZUT1_BN <CAN= CEL> <-35 dB>

RX1: <21:37 UTC> <9,8 Hz> <G0NBD@HOTMAIN"3$Z!234569= SPAJ7%^_6+ <CANCEL> <-38 dB>

RX1: <21:42 UTC> <9,3 Hz> <EX>BEPHM<>%P27B*//C(= ?NJ>(M3U:[NWH <STOP> <-35 dB>

RX1: <21:47 UTC> <9,3 Hz> <G0NBH@HOM:_7Y/>N5ZH2347C4&= gt;\$7?MYX-V <CANCEL> <-37 dB>

RX1: <21:52 UTC> <9,3 Hz> <G0NBD@HOTMAJ"QO<6VP&a= mp; 34560:) /FVD#TN HZ?]<(T_V#U4T5AZ <CANCEL> <-32 dB>

 
EME:

RX1: <21:18 UTC> <13,2 Hz>= <G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) <STOP> <-25 dB>

RX1: <21:23 UTC> <12,7 Hz>= <G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) <STOP> <-22 dB>

RX1: <21:28 UTC> <12,7 Hz>= <G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) <STOP> <-29 dB>

RX1: <21:33 UTC> <12,7 Hz>= <G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM> 2 C?5< H92")G>] <CANCEL> <-35 dB>

RX1: <21:37 UTC> <12,7 Hz>= <G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) <STOP> <-29 dB>

RX1: <21:42 UTC> <12,7 Hz>= <G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM2>I>Q&?Y^GW^A8P& <STOP> <-33 dB>

RX1: <21:47 UTC> <12,7 Hz>= <G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) <STOP> <-29 dB>

RX1: <21:51 UTC> <12,7 Hz>= <G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) 10W <CANCEL> <-31 dB>

 

My vote goes to EME mode ;-)

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 
Van: owner-rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham= [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk]
Verzonden: zondag 2 mei 2010 23:48
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream

Will reduce to  approx 2.5 Watt'= s  per  stream at 2300  local
 
Tnx  for  reports G ..
 
 

From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: EME / 500/-1 0- 10 Watts per stream

Reduced to  10  watts = per  steam  22-30  hrs local
 
Tnx - G .
 
 

From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: EME / 500/-1 0- 25 Watts per stream

Reduced to  25  watts = per stream , added 1234567890 to the text
Tnx  for  reports
 
G .

From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: LF: EME / 500/-1 0- 40 Watts per stream

As of  21-15  local time po= wer  set ..40  watts = ; per  data  stream  (may be  too  much ?)=
 
NB : Pls  run  x2 session's=   of ros   for  comparative  test
 
Will  run till  round = midnight
 
Thanks  for the  reports&nb= sp; via  the  email  system  and the  ref
 
73 - G

From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:28 PM
Subject: LF: ROS EME / 500/-1 0- Reduced power

I am reducing power to  1 watt&n= bsp; Ae feed  to  allow  Gary  to  do  some= low level  checks
will  qro  later
 
G ..

From: Graham
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:10 PM
Subject: LF: ROS EME / 500/-1 Bit speed 502.00 KHz

Dual mode  ROS Beacon running ,= check  for  activity >> http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/
 
ROS    EME=
 
ROS    500 Hz /= 1 Bit  speed
Dial  set  502.000 KHz USB<= /font>
 
Dual reception by  running = two  sessions  of  ROS . , set  eme  and = HF  500 rx  1  bit  speed
select the  minimum  AFC&nb= sp; range
 
The  HF  500/1 bit  sh= ould  out  perform the  eme  mode
Software  download >> = ; http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
Reports  welcome via  ref&n= bsp; or the  auto  email  mode
 
Note  - Due to  low af = ; drive  level - NO RX -
 
Tnx - G .














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