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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1ffcce5696304875e3d24 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d235.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410f4bfaf86b6a81 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1ffcce5696304875e3d24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, The station 3kms away is G6ALB. He is interested in doing some tests if th= e chances of success look reasonable. We are able to communicate with a few uWs on "sensible" bands like 2m and 6m, HI. 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/5/24 Stefan Sch=E4fer > Interesting! So, here you could even check the (positive) influence of= all > the conductors that could supply the conduction. Who is the RX stn in 3k= m > distance? Has he also tried to transmit a signal and you tried to rx it? > > 73, Stefan > > ________________________________ > > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Roger Lapthorn > Gesendet: Mo 24.05.2010 22:28 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: AW: 8.97kHz - Near field and radiated signals? > > > Attached is a map showing how far I managed on 1kHz earth mode this > evening. Green is strong RS56 signals and orange is just copied RS33 > signals, by ear. TX power 4W + 20m base electrodes, RX 80cm loop. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > On 24 May 2010 20:36, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > > Thanks Horst. > > I'll try a Marconi antenna at some point, although my space is > limited to little more than the antenna I used on 500kHz (a top loaded= 5m > vertical). > > This evening I extended the TX electrode spacings by connecting= one > end to the copper pipes in the house, almost doubling the effective TX > baseline to about 20m. With this, my "earth mode" signals were much stro= nger > and I was able to cover further than before in a "by ear" walk-about tes= t > around the fields. Ultimate range tonight was 0.4kms using 4W (probably > less as the TDA2003 was hot and probably turning down the power) and > receiving on an 80cm loop. active HPF, small AF amp and crystal earpiece= . > Range was limited by 50Hz mains hum and background sferic noise. I must= try > this set-up with my HF up-converter and FT817 this week which has good > rejection of 50Hz (and its harmonics) mains hum and a narrow CW filter. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > On 24 May 2010 18:18, Horst St=F6cker wro= te: > > > Hello Roger, Dreamers, > if we define near field as < 2 lambda we are talking abou= t > everything below 60 km.With this distance I woul be extremely lucky. > I also do "walkaround tests" near my garden. But I bet on= ly > in the flat field one can see what is possible with small antenna an wit= hout > a big loading coil. > Out from my garden I tried my 10h/20t Marconi as well as= a > 30m earth base. The Marconi worked better, but not good enough. A TV > transformer (must be flyback of course) made it much better. > But all the trees and houses are coupling the radiated > signal to earth and also the AATIS-RX is very much influenced by them. > I also assume that the horinontal parts of a wire do the > same. So only a vertical should work. > For operation in city environment smaller antennas at the > roof top (old CB antennas) will possibly work better than the bigger > vertical in my garden between trees and houses at ground level. It might= be > worth a test. > One of the next tests will be with my gig earth base. I= have > collected about 800m of surplus wire. Possibly this is another way to ev= en > radiate more then near field. But I would be very surprised it this was= good > for any DX. > I bet Stefans kite antenna will at least be the only way= to > DX operation. Unfortunately this is just portable and just temporary. > vy73 Horst DO1KHS/DI2AN > > > > ________________________________ > > Von: Roger Lapthorn > Gesendet: 24.05.2010 18:36:28 > > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Betreff: Re: LF: AW: 8.97kHz - Near field and > radiated signals? > > > Thank you for your fast reply Stefan. > > In answer to your questions: > > > * Currently, my TX electrode spacing is 10m= , > which is the best I can manage in my small garden. Both electrodes are= as > far away from the mains and other utility services as I can manage. > * I have not tried /P transmit testing yet. > * My nearest ham who will listen/look is 3k= ms > away, but using beaconing I am able to go out myself and see how far I= can > reach. This is what I have done so far, going out into the fields behind= my > house with electrode pairs or a loop receiver. Best (by ear reception)= DX is > 0.35kms, but the system has much scope for optimisation still. > * The largest single turn loop I could erec= t > in my garden would be about 50-70 sq m (about 15m top and 4m-5m high).= The > longest antenna length would also be 15m horizontal with some vertical > section(s) too. > * The best DX targets are quite modest: I > would like to exceed 1km initially with the TX power I currently have > (around 4W). If I could reach G6ALB in the next village 3kms away I woul= d be > delighted. If I got any further I would be both amazed and VERY happy! > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > 2010/5/24 Stefan Sch=E4fer < > schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de> > > > Hello Roger, > > For your ground electrodes, ground > electrodes may be the best "antenna" in some 10...10m. I'm not sure how= to > calculate field strengths but i just know about the 1/d^3 dependency, so > twice the distance means 8 times the power for the same signal reception= , in > the near field. But it is the question what are the electrodes since the= re > is ever a coupling to the mains earth and all the metallic stuff in regi= ons > where people are living so this dependency might not be valid in your te= sts. > As mentioned here, you could benefit from these conductors... > > But if you want to reach more distance wi= th > an antenna of the same size (e.g. of your garden)and the same power, you > could try such a TV transformer. Take a wire, as long as possible and as > high as possible, and apply some kV on it by this transformer. It can ev= en > be resonated by adjusting the air gap between the both ferrite parts. Th= at > results in a maximum output voltage and thus "ERP". At least this would= be a > good alternative to your ground electrode tests. You could easily compar= e > the reachable distances. Here i would use a E field antenna for receptio= n in > the near field. > > How far is your next receiving amateur ra= dio > station away? And have you tried to do such tests outside the village/ci= ty, > just like Jim does it with his loop antenna? This could allow you to > increase the distance of your reception. Here, space is not limited and= you > could try 2x10m, 2x50m, 2x100m and so on and tell us the difference in= the > feed point impedance at various frequencies and your ODX :-) Maybe i wil= l > also do some ground electrode tests in summer but i am still not sure.= The > complete receiver of Jim is a really good idea to check the QRM situatio= n at > a given QTH. Probably i will also buit his loop design for such tests... > Would be interesing what is the maximum distance for a CW reception of= my > transmitted signal (with the kite antenna and 6mW ERP) ;-) > > I will also do some near field tests in= this > week, to compare the performance of my 2 grabbers. This will be done her= e: > http://www.google.de/maps?f=3Dq&source=3Ds_q&hl=3Dde&geocode=3D&q=3Dheil= igenberg+heidelberg&sll=3D47.820666,9.312449&sspn=3D0.106733,0.219383&g=3D= heiligenberg&ie=3DUTF8&hq=3D&hnear=3DHeiligenberg&ll=3D49.419391,8.704101&= spn=3D0.001616,0.003428&t=3Dh&z=3D18in about 1,8km distance to my grabbers= . Power will also be below 100W and > the antenna wire will be mounted on a tower in abt 15m height. I will > transmit with this TV transformer on a 40m wire. > > Roger, what size is your garden? What is= the > maximum wire length that you can apply and in which height? What is your > goal (best DX, a reals QSO with the next equipped station or just do som= e > funny tests?) > > So, wish you fun and success with your > experiments! > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > PS: What is your locator / QTH? > > > > > > > -- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > > NEU: WEB.DE DSL f=FCr 19,99 EUR/mtl. und ohne > Mindest-Laufzeit! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > -- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > -- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000e0cd1ffcce5696304875e3d24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan,

The station 3kms away is G6ALB. He is interested in doing= some tests if the chances of success look reasonable. We are able to comm= unicate with a few uWs on "sensible" bands like 2m and 6m, HI.
73s
Roger G3XBM

2010/5/24 Stefan= Sch=E4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>
Interesting! So, here you could even check the (positive) influence of all= the conductors that could supply the conduction. Who is the RX stn in 3km= distance? Has he also tried to transmit a signal and you tried to rx it?<= br>
73, Stefan

________________________________

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Roger Lapthorn
Gesendet: Mo 24.05.2010 22:28
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: AW: 8.97kHz - Near field and radiated signals?


Attached is a map showing how far I managed on 1kHz earth mode this evenin= g. Green is strong RS56 signals and orange is just copied RS33 signals, by= ear. TX power 4W + 20m base electrodes, RX 80cm loop.

73s
Roger G3XBM


On 24 May 2010 20:36, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:


=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Thanks Horst.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I'll try a Marconi antenna at some point, although my= space is limited to little more than the antenna I used on 500kHz (a top= loaded 5m vertical).

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This evening I extended the TX electrode spacings by conne= cting one end to the copper pipes in the house, almost doubling the effect= ive TX baseline to about 20m. With this, my "earth mode" signals= were much stronger and I was able to cover further than before in a "= ;by ear" walk-about test around the fields. =A0Ultimate range tonight= was 0.4kms using 4W (probably less as the TDA2003 was hot and probably tu= rning down the power) and receiving on an 80cm loop. active HPF, small AF= amp and crystal earpiece. =A0Range was limited by 50Hz mains hum and back= ground sferic noise. I must try this set-up with my HF up-converter and FT= 817 this week which has good rejection of 50Hz =A0(and its harmonics) main= s hum and a narrow CW filter.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A073s
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Roger G3XBM




=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0On 24 May 2010 18:18, Horst St=F6cker <horst.stoecker@web.de> wrote:


=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hello Roger, Dreamers,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0if we define near field as < 2 lambda= we are talking about everything below 60 km.With this distance I woul be= extremely lucky.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I also do "walkaround tests" nea= r my garden. But I bet only in the flat field one can see what is possible= with small antenna an without a big loading coil.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Out from my garden I tried my 10h/20t Marc= oni as well as a 30m earth base. The Marconi worked better, but not good= enough. A TV transformer (must be flyback of course) made it much better.=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0But all the trees and houses are coupling= the radiated signal to earth and also the AATIS-RX is very much influence= d by them.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I also assume that the horinontal parts of= a wire do the same. So only a vertical should work.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0For operation in city environment smaller= antennas at the roof top (old CB antennas) will possibly work better than= the bigger vertical in my garden between trees and houses at ground level= . It might be worth a test.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0One of the next tests will be with my gig= earth base. I have collected about 800m of surplus wire. Possibly this is= another way to even radiate more then near field. But I would be very sur= prised it this was good for any DX.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I bet Stefans kite antenna will at least= be the only way to DX operation. Unfortunately this is just portable and= just temporary.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0vy73 Horst DO1KHS/DI2AN



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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Von: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Gesendet: 24.05.2010 18:36= :28

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Betreff: Re: LF: AW: 8.97k= Hz - Near field and radiated signals?


=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Thank you for your fast re= ply Stefan.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0In answer to your question= s:


=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* =A0 =A0 =A0 Currently,= my TX electrode spacing is 10m, which is the best I can manage in my smal= l garden. Both electrodes are as far away from the mains and other utility= services as I can manage.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* =A0 =A0 =A0 I have not= tried /P transmit testing yet.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* =A0 =A0 =A0 My nearest= ham who will listen/look is 3kms away, but using beaconing I am able to= go out myself and see how far I can reach. This is what I have done so fa= r, going out into the fields behind my house with electrode pairs or a loo= p receiver. Best (by ear reception) DX is 0.35kms, but the system has much= scope for optimisation still.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* =A0 =A0 =A0 The largest= single turn loop I could erect in my garden would be about 50-70 sq m (ab= out 15m top and 4m-5m high). The longest antenna length would also be 15m= horizontal with some vertical section(s) too.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* =A0 =A0 =A0 The best DX= targets are quite modest: I would like to exceed 1km initially with the= TX power I currently have (around 4W). If I could reach G6ALB in the next= village 3kms away I would be delighted. If I got any further I would be= both amazed and VERY happy!

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A073s
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Roger G3XBM



=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02010/5/24 Stefan Sch=E4fer= <schaefer@hst.tu-darms= tadt.de>


=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hello Roge= r,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0For your= ground electrodes, ground electrodes may be the best "antenna"= in some 10...10m. I'm not sure how to calculate field strengths but= i just know about the 1/d^3 dependency, so twice the distance means 8 tim= es the power for the same signal reception, in the near field. But it is= the question what are the electrodes since there is ever a coupling to th= e mains earth and all the metallic stuff in regions where people are livin= g so this dependency might not be valid in your tests. As mentioned here,= you could benefit from these conductors...

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0But if you= want to reach more distance with an antenna of the same size (e.g. of you= r garden)and the same power, you could try such a TV transformer. Take a= wire, as long as possible and as high as possible, and apply some kV on= it by this transformer. It can even be resonated by adjusting the air gap= between the both ferrite parts. That results in a maximum output voltage= and thus "ERP". At least this would be a good alternative to yo= ur ground electrode tests. You could easily compare the reachable distance= s. Here i would use a E field antenna for reception in the near field.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0How far is= your next receiving amateur radio station away? And have you tried to do= such tests outside the village/city, just like Jim does it with his loop= antenna? This could allow you to increase the distance of your reception.= Here, space is not limited and you could try 2x10m, 2x50m, 2x100m and so= on and tell us the difference in the feed point impedance at various freq= uencies and your ODX :-) Maybe i will also do some ground electrode tests= in summer but i am still not sure. The complete receiver of Jim is a real= ly good idea to check the QRM situation at a given QTH. Probably i will al= so buit his loop design for such tests... Would be interesing what is the= maximum distance for a CW reception of my transmitted signal (with the ki= te antenna and 6mW ERP) ;-)

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I will als= o do some near field tests in this week, to compare the performance of my= 2 grabbers. This will be done here: http://www.google.de/maps?f=3Dq&source=3Ds_q&hl=3Dde&a= mp;geocode=3D&q=3Dheiligenberg+heidelberg&sll=3D47.820666,9.312449= &sspn=3D0.106733,0.219383&g=3Dheiligenberg&ie=3DUTF8&hq=3D= &hnear=3DHeiligenberg&ll=3D49.419391,8.704101&spn=3D0.001616,0= .003428&t=3Dh&z=3D18 in about 1,8km distance to my grabbers.= Power will also be below 100W and the antenna wire will be mounted on a= tower in abt 15m height. I will transmit with this TV transformer on a 40= m wire.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Roger, wha= t size is your garden? What is the maximum wire length that you can apply= and in which height? What is your goal (best DX, a reals QSO with the nex= t equipped station or just do some funny tests?)

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0So, wish= you fun and success with your experiments!

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A073, Stefan= /DK7FC

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