Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.91]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-a8d54bfe95db28a; Thu, 27 May 2010 11:55:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2DAC338000143; Thu, 27 May 2010 11:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OHfP7-0006UN-4i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 16:53:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OHfP6-0006UE-Lc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 16:53:52 +0100 Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OHfP3-00041o-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 May 2010 16:53:52 +0100 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so52322wyb.16 for ; Thu, 27 May 2010 08:53:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8I+PgpQ8PMafa5mSOBuMaI242kh1cR4h2CXHCH2oNDw=; b=GQchMtyrjBERCc3/R+bhbSsb7SoLYVOu2Bi+7ifJe8luDmRXDDdgQ2mAcjVcGPpIKW sbByNNyP0YUZfV934ZC4RoVEqWWAXVlnubpWyh9qo+DJMGCDnXVDR8OKE2h5G/Fxjfp0 nJQH55qb4Zj0z0YXt4ZHBY/iVwLmVvRHnrct8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=gLrBXWq2q1+zRWOQWhfIxCWjjUVyEgrg6gX05GGhS6B2ivG08CDnFayLzU2Avv9XkQ lSF6Iu3ncyuYmnRkqklYdNufLE6V3KIHL8ACQpclk3L2C8qmPMMeHsrDiGoqYf6jx0eC aw+8t//CmECPjbg3VbSJJKuy0AWCmBwOZX5jU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.179.199 with SMTP id h49mr143503wem.38.1274975623731; Thu, 27 May 2010 08:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.38.67 with HTTP; Thu, 27 May 2010 08:53:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <90CFBF56-FB16-42F3-B830-E7D695D2B184@hurontel.on.ca> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C00@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C0A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1016715129.3429947.1274945594131.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb033> <90CFBF56-FB16-42F3-B830-E7D695D2B184@hurontel.on.ca> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:53:43 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Earth electrodes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363ba3b2265dee0487956520 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m247.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405b4bfe95d9420a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016363ba3b2265dee0487956520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A paper I read suggested multiple small rods were as good as one large one where the ground prevented deep insertion of a larger rod, such as in a cave. 73s Roger G3XBM On 27 May 2010 14:13, John Bruce McCreath wrote: > > Hello LFers, > > While laying in bed this morning pondering the inside of my eyelids I got > to thinking about the electrodes used > for "through the earth" communications. What is more important, the depth > of the electrode or its surface area? > A typical 3/4 inch diameter by 4 foot long ground rod has a surface area of > 113 square inches, while a metal > plate 1 foot square has a surface area of 288 square inches. If depth is > the key, then obviously the rods have > the advantage, but if it's surface area, the plates win hands down. Even > in stoney soil, it's relatively easy to > make a slit-like hole into which could be slipped a sheet of galvanized > metal with a lead attached. To make > a good connection to the surrounding soil, pour some "kitty litter" into > the slit and moisten it with water so as > to improve the contact between the plate and the surrounding soil. Am I > onto something here or have I > overlooked some important detail? > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR > > LowFER Beacon "EAR" > 188.830 kHz. QRSS30 > > > > > > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0016363ba3b2265dee0487956520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A paper I read suggested multiple small rods were as good as one large one= where the ground prevented deep insertion of a larger rod, such as in a= cave.

73s
Roger G3XBM



On 27 May 2010 14:13, John Bruce McCreath <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> wro= te:

Hello LFers,

While laying in bed this morning pondering the inside of my eyelids I got= to thinking about the electrodes used
for "through the earth" communications. =A0What is more importan= t, the depth of the electrode or its surface area?
A typical 3/4 inch diameter by 4 foot long ground rod has a surface area= of 113 square inches, while a metal
plate 1 foot square has a surface area of 288 square inches. =A0If depth= is the key, then obviously the rods have
the advantage, but if it's surface area, the plates win hands down. = =A0Even in stoney soil, it's relatively easy to
make a slit-like hole into which could be slipped a sheet of galvanized me= tal with a lead attached. =A0To make
a good connection to the surrounding soil, pour some "kitty litter&qu= ot; into the slit and moisten it with water so as
to improve the contact between the plate and the surrounding soil. =A0Am= I onto something here or have I
overlooked some important detail?

73, J.B., VE3EAR

LowFER Beacon "EAR"
188.830 kHz. QRSS30









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