Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi03.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD013-86574bf42f8b2ce; Wed, 19 May 2010 14:35:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mi03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6B4B23800004E; Wed, 19 May 2010 14:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OEo6N-0001FZ-Rf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 May 2010 19:34:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OEo6N-0001FQ-32 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 May 2010 19:34:43 +0100 Received: from smtp-out30.alice.it ([85.33.2.30]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OEo6L-00066R-80 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 May 2010 19:34:43 +0100 Received: from FBCMMO03.fbc.local ([192.168.68.197]) by smtp-out30.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 May 2010 20:34:33 +0200 Received: from FBCMST18V01.fbc.local ([192.168.178.92]) by FBCMMO03.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 19 May 2010 20:34:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 x-originating-ip: 151.99.187.181 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 20:31:38 +0200 Message-ID: <8585FA1C733D9A42AEA98C724D8FB811C053A0@FBCMST18V01.fbc.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <8585FA1C733D9A42AEA98C724D8FB811C053A0@FBCMST18V01.fbc.local> Thread-Topic: LF: Re: Re: Dreamers9 thread-index: Acr3fuFX+W4HPg1iRB2rxf1sfgwQswAAqOik References: <004801caf760$dfb591a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <007201caf77b$7f1c0020$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <1OEngI-2IsYYC0@fwd11.t-online.de> From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2010 18:34:33.0618 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED37CF20:01CAF781] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAF781.ECE03BBC" Subject: R: LF: Re: Re: Dreamers9 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/58775 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039400cdecb4bf42f8951c9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAF781.ECE03BBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ha-Jo, LF, still no relation with 9KHz reception in my humble opinion. I received SAQ= perfectly last Christmas, very very clear, but SAQ tx is a 200KW alternat= or, if I remember well... Cheers D. ________________________________ Da: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org per conto di hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-on= line.de Inviato: mer 19/05/2010 20.07 A: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Oggetto: Re: LF: Re: Re: Dreamers9 Dear all, concerning the signal strength of the Alpha signals I have been given the following recommendation a few years ago: Those who can receive the russian Alpha signals in Europe will also be able to receive SAQ (usually stronger). With this relation in mind it is easier to design aerials for the reception of SAQ which is active on just a few short occasions over the year only.=20 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "mal hamilton" schrieb: > Jim > I was looking for a more positive response like signal strength of sigs= from > RSDDN-20. and who exactly is receiving them. > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:33 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Dreamers9 > > > > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > > > Omega was decommissioned around 1997 I think - so it would be quite > > suprising if anyone were able to receive these beacons at any strength= ! > > > > The Russian RSDN-20 "Alpha" beacons in this frequency range are still= in > > operation, although sometimes shut down for varying periods, as mentio= ned > on > > this reflector during the last few days. They are usually readily audi= ble > in > > the UK when they are QRV. > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mal hamilton" > > To: "rsgb" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:37 PM > > Subject: LF: Dreamers9 > > > > > > LF/MF > > How many are receiving the Omega signals on 11, 12 kcs area and at wha= t > > strength. 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