Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi08.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-85e94bfd886c1a0; Wed, 26 May 2010 16:45:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mi08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C8B2B380000E2; Wed, 26 May 2010 16:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OHNS7-0006P9-9h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 2010 21:43:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OHNS2-0006Lt-C2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 2010 21:43:42 +0100 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OHNRz-00067C-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 May 2010 21:43:42 +0100 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id o4QKhcqD014842 for ; Wed, 26 May 2010 22:43:38 +0200 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 26 May 2010 22:43:38 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:43:38 +0200 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C0A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C0A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Thread-Topic: LF: AW: 8.97kHz - Near field and radiated signals? Thread-Index: Acr8whLiD39qjc4gRLC3/NlqM7soawAUQgGP References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C00@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 21.78;26.05.2010 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.9.395186, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.5.26.202115 X-PMX-RELAY: mailout X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAFD14.1E23E1B2" Subject: AW: LF: AW: 8.97kHz - Near field and radiated signals? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/59026 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean x-aol-sid: 3039400cded04bfd886a2abc X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAFD14.1E23E1B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roger, Rik, VLF, =20 That's what i meant, try it in QRSS/DFCW 600 (or 400). Doing it practicall= y is more fun and gives a secure answer if it works or not. Better for hea= lth than reading papers in front of the PC. All in all, the best you can= do ;-) I wish i would have the next receiving station in 3 km! Maybe i should vis= it the Heidelbergs radio club, maybe there are some interested OMs that ca= n be motivated. In the Darmstadts club i do not really have any hope ;-) =20 73 es gl! =20 Horst: Any news about your ground electrodes? =20 Stefan/DK7FC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org im Auftrag von Roger Lapthorn Gesendet: Mi 26.05.2010 12:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: 8.97kHz - Near field and radiated signals? Thanks to all for the explanations.=20 I'm glad others get confused too!! 73s Roger G3XBM ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAFD14.1E23E1B2 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IicUAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEANwAAAEFXOiBMRjogQVc6IDguOTdr SHogLSBOZWFyIGZpZWxkIGFuZCByYWRpYXRlZCBzaWduYWxzPwDrEAEFgAMADgAAANoHBQAaABYA KwAmAAMAagEBIIADAA4AAADaBwUAGgAWACsAJgADAGoBAQmAAQAhAAAANEU4QTY2Q0ZEOERGMzQ0 NTg0RUVCMzc1NEVEMkZEOUYAjAcBA5AGAMwRAAA4AAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAsuEjHhT9ygEeAD0A AQAAAAUAAABBVzogAAAAAAIBRwABAAAAMgAAAGM9REU7YT0gO3A9SFNUO2w9RklMRS1TRVJWRVIt SFMtMTAwNTI2MjA0MzM4Wi00MTgAAAAeAEkAAQAAADcAAABSZTogTEY6IEFXOiA4Ljk3a0h6IC0g TmVhciBmaWVsZCBhbmQgcmFkaWF0ZWQgc2lnbmFscz8AAEAATgCAOXVawfzKAR4AWgABAAAAIwAA AG93bmVyLXJzZ2JfbGZfZ3JvdXBAYmxhY2tzaGVlcC5vcmcAAAIBWwABAAAAYwAAAAAAAACBKx+k vqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAG93bmVyLXJzZ2JfbGZfZ3JvdXBAYmxhY2tzaGVlcC5vcmcAU01UUABv 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