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(VPS 100503-0, 03/05/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: RE: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d400d4bdebe0f5f33 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks' for the data Jim I think you may have the reason for the miss printing of the 500/1 mode on 500 , selective fading, from previous 'trials it showed to be very close in , even 50 Hz shift showing a drop in signal. so its possible that a % of the data was simply lost below the system noise floor ? 73 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:51 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: EME / 500/-1 0- 2.5 Watts per stream > Dear Graham, LF Group, > > Well, not much to choose between the two here... see the output logs for > both modes at the 2.5W level below. Some selective fading was evident, as > you can see in the attachment, where the HF mode signal (at the higher > power > 10W level around 2157utc) starts off stronger than the narrower EME > signal, > but the situation reverses during the 4 minutes or so transmission. But > there does not seem to be any definite advantage of one mode over the > other - both drop out from time to time during the deeper fades. Either > mode > would clearly have been viable for a QSO, which is quite impressive > considering the low power in use. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > In 62.5Hz BW "EME mode": > RX1: <22:06 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> > > RX1: <22:11 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-29 > dB> > > RX1: <22:16 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <22:21 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-32 > dB> > > RX1: <22:26 UTC> <0.0 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-31 > dB> > > RX1: <22:31 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> > > RX1: <22:36 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> > > RX1: <22:41 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) > 2.5$WS[H4X>3GI7/SVU9-ZK*3 <-31 dB> > > RX1: <22:46 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-29 > dB> > > RX1: <22:51 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <22:56 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <23:01 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-24 > dB> > > RX1: <23:06 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-31 > dB> > > RX1: <23:11 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-31 > dB> > > RX1: <23:16 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> > > RX1: <23:21 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-26 > dB> > > RX1: <23:27 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> > > RX1: <23:32 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-27 > dB> > > RX1: <23:37 UTC> <0.0 Hz> 5G0NBDMP4.-XIL.COM> 123G167890:) >5 W > <-35 > dB> > > RX1: <23:42 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-27 > dB> > > RX1: <23:47 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <23:52 UTC> <0.0 Hz> _Z0 BD@HOTMAIL.CSM> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-32 > dB> > > RX1: <23:57 UTC> <0.5 Hz> /^X3N-@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-29 > dB> > > RX1: <00:02 UTC> <0.5 Hz> BD@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-31 > dB> > > RX1: <00:07 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-32 > dB> > > RX1: <00:17 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-29 > dB> > > > > In 500Hz BW "HF mode": > > RX1: <22:06 UTC> <0.0 Hz> ?)SNBD@HBTMAIL.CE)> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-33 > dB> > > RX1: <22:11 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> > > RX1: <22:16 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-24 > dB> > > RX1: <22:21 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> > > RX1: <22:26 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> > > RX1: <22:31 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W#@ > <-34 dB> > > RX1: <22:36 UTC> <0.5 Hz> ,G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> > > RX1: <22:41 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1K5).X@4DSI\6&X_CW > <-32 > dB> > > RX1: <22:46 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <22:51 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <22:57 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-27 > dB> > > RX1: <23:02 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <23:07 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-27 > dB> > > RX1: <23:12 UTC> <0.5 Hz> ,G0NBD@HOTMAIL.COM> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <23:17 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-27 > dB> > > RX1: <23:22 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <23:27 UTC> <0.0 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-29 > dB> > > RX1: <23:32 UTC> <0.0 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <23:37 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 123\I&7890:) 2.5 W > <-28 > dB> > > RX1: <23:42 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-29 > dB> > > RX1: <23:47 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-29 > dB> > > RX1: <23:52 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-29 > dB> > > RX1: <00:02 UTC> <0.5 Hz> W-9/(5&VG: AICOM>*?YD"*KV.90:) 2.5 W <-35 > dB> > > RX1: <00:07 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-27 > dB> > > RX1: <00:17 UTC> <0.5 Hz> 1234567890:) 2.5 W > <-30 > dB> >