Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi01.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD054-86ad4bd84e74305; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:04:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 87B52380000EC; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1O78nJ-0000TV-6Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:03:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1O78nI-0000TM-PQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:03:20 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1O78nG-0002ws-GT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:03:20 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013B87B8064 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:03:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n4.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.14]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82A531E702 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:03:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N4.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.14]) with mapi; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:03:07 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:03:06 +0200 Thread-Topic: Re: Antenna Article Thread-Index: Acrm4pIF9ZOTL4+/TR6BBxznCY2M3gAAKB5o Message-ID: References: ,<005b01cae6e1$ea912010$4001a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: <005b01cae6e1$ea912010$4001a8c0@lark> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Antenna Article Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400cdec94bd84e727741 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) JB, Alan, if I recall well this feeding method was tried on 136kHz with success by= some Dutch hams activating a windmill (PI4OSS ?). 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Alan Melia [alan.melia@btinternet.com] Verzonden: woensdag 28 april 2010 16:48 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: Antenna Article Hi JB there is something similar to this I believe in Rick's ON7YD's web tutorial on LF antennas. http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/ look at section 2.12 Is this a case of feeding at an elevated tapping point to get a better impedance.....very short antennas are very low in impedance at 160........you may find this doesnt work at LF (136 - 180) due to the muc= h higher ground losses.....interesting experiment though. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bruce McCreath" To: "& UK) and MedFer bands Discussion of the Lowfer (US European" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: LF: Antenna Article Hello LFers & Lowfers, Volume 7 of the ARRL Antenna Compendium has an interesting article by John= , VE2CV, on an electrically small antenna for 160 meters. He mentions how a virtual inductance can be created at the top of a tower by means of "insulating a suitable conductor inside the tower and shorting it to th= e tower at some judicious length away from the end." The top loading wires are attached to the top of this conductor which extends above the top of the tower by some distance. Has anyone here tried this very interesting approach? I don't recall hearing or reading of this method of putting an inductor at the top of a vertical section of a top loaded LF antenna. Being more of a mechanical nature rather than the usual elevated coil, its losses may be less. I might give it a try myself just to check it out. 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30