Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.73]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILINMF064-8bf04bceb4ac3ca; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 04:17:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0ADCC38000091; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 04:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1O4V6k-0004Iv-8R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:16:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1O4V6j-0004Im-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:16:29 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1O4V6g-0002yO-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:16:29 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394E251C007 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.13]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5BF31E704 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:16:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.13]) with mapi; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:16:13 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:16:13 +0200 Thread-Topic: Mal's gold contacts Thread-Index: AcrgtKjT8GINN2kkR4eWLE81f1Yf7wAdQs+o Message-ID: References: <003001cae0b0$820545d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Mal's gold contacts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60494bceb4aa20f1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Paul, besides king's water (aqua regia) also mercury interacts with gold, formin= g a metallic bond. Regarding king's water: despite the fact that silver is far less noble tha= n gold it is immune to king's water. But now we are far off topic .... 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Paul A. Cianciolo [paulc@snet.net] Verzonden: dinsdag 20 april 2010 20:06 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Mal's gold contacts Mal, Silver will oxidize.. Gold on the other handle is one the most stable of metals. As a amateur gold prospector, I can tell that gold can survive thousands= of years under water with out any corrosion. Very few acids will attack or dissolve gold, the only one I know is Aqua Regia which is a concentrated mix of Nitric and Hydrochloric acid. Hence the phrase used here in the USA when questioning the validity of a idea et.... "Does it pass the acid test?" BTW Gold has a specific gravity of 19.33 nearly twice that of lead at 11.= 4 PauLC W1VLF Owner of many weird hobbies -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:40 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: EARTH Rik I have not investigated gold v silver but high quality low loss plugs/sock= et pins are gold plated, if what you say is correct why not silver? mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: RE: LF: EARTH Mal, the conductivity of silver is better than that of copper. But the differen= ce is marginal, the main advantage is that silver will not oxidate as much as copper (metal oxides are rather poor conductors). That is why silver plati= ng makes sense, in particular on very high frequencies (where skin depth is small, but solid silver wire does not (apart from the fact that is will break very easy). However, the conductivity of gold is worse than that of silver and copper,= I don't think that there is any good reason to use gold plated antennas (may= be except for vanity). 73, Rik ON7YD ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens mal hamilton [g3kevmal@talktalk.net] Verzonden: maandag 19 april 2010 17:47 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: EARTH Mike Silver is ideal and better than copper but in California and possibly Texa= s they prefer GOLD, listen to those big W6 and W5 signals. I think W6AM had= a gold plated rhombic around the mid 50's. The heyday of amateur radio befor= e the appliance operator appeared. Nice to hear from you de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "WE0H-Mike" To: Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: EARTH > I run 11,100 feet of radials for my HF and 600m antennas. It works great but I have lots of wire and lots of time to put them in the ground...hi hi > > As Mal said, using a good antenna and a few radials will work good. Use= a poor antenna and many radials and expect a compromise performance. > > I have been finding that using silver plated Teflon insulated wire for= my antennas and any coils, that my antennas seem to radiate well. I think the silver plating has a lower A/C resistance than copper which lowers the wir= e losses. > > Mike > WE0H > WD2XSH/16 > > > > > > > > Mobile on my BlackBerry >