Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.92]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-863c4b9feabe225; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:31:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DA05038000114; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NrdPg-0007hc-6f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:30:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NrdPf-0007hT-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:30:51 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f210.google.com ([209.85.218.210]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NrdPd-0006hA-8X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:30:51 +0000 Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so373235bwz.30 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=M6AWMeemZlHEOWZVQk0Z5hnxEliaeLh+9hzakWX0VmM=; b=l8qZ6D4Dj1b1qGKf1awjPuXtZ6YsUN0h6Sfdx7PyhC8BCOSGcwsZVqAJ/IemU4N1SZ OEWRDrgAk3IOBHgWUmuzjkwUB5obV9BsI1g0LvgJjyflyA5pi3duXGGUch98Jqdcv1q8 IYlyDHDDiOhsNMQO/BzVDKeAyKfzQa7noJpGk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wox+dM/p1w1ugo5xp50loNR9j6upuARdVA/KG8mco2pN5SK/ABp6quN5bmHLXNetXK 2kgUubC+tne7QKstmQmC2Ufzdig0Ks33/SoqX3pFu5vET9Ob4793atiuXnmy0Dhu7Bsx Jlw+NVE4WySuZ0HMz46m7ouH+KAx9Za5VmWUE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.133.25 with SMTP id d25mr71410bkt.141.1268771443389; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4B9FE483.8020806@abelian.org> References: <000001cac47a$f4ba1350$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B57@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B9F82C9.3000301@abelian.org> <4B9FB3F5.6030707@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4B9FE483.8020806@abelian.org> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:30:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC's 2nd VLF TX test... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517447ee22f36b30481f0df47 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d223.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605c4b9feabb0436 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001517447ee22f36b30481f0df47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you go the the extent of UT synced FSK, then you'll gain another 3dB by using BPSK. FSK is an orthogonal signalling mode, where you test the power level in one slot (frequency bin) against that in the other slot. When correlated over a symbol period, the resule will be either 1 for teh correct tone, or 0 for th eotehr tone However, BPSK compares the voltage amplitude between the two states, so you're now testing for what amounts to 1 or -1. Hence 3dB advantage for synchronous BPSK versus synchronous FSK. Normally you don't see the benefit in simple amateur signalling protocols as the need for carrier and bit timing recovery degrade the process, so for casual signalling FSK wins - hence the power of K1JT's JTxx and WSPR modes. But, by introducing GPS locked and timed signalling, operating both ends coherently, the latter issues go away and you should be able to get the full theoretical advantage of synchronous signalling. Andy www.g4jnt.com Thanks for the info on the DDS VFO, now I recall you mentioned > it in an earlier post. I wondered whether it would do FSK. > The QRSS mode is very poor, a most inefficient use of the > channel capacity - literally a waste of time. Dual frequency > Morse code would be much better, but better still an efficiently > encoded digital signal sent with UT synchronous FSK. > > Probably Spectrum Lab already has everything you need for > this, including the ability to sync the carrier frequency to > an external frequency standard. > > > i plan to get the permission for a 300m vertical antenna! > --001517447ee22f36b30481f0df47 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you go the the extent of UT synced FSK, then you'll gain anoth= er 3dB by using BPSK.=A0=A0 FSK is an orthogonal signalling mode, where yo= u test the power level in one slot (frequency bin) against that in the=A0o= ther slot.=A0=A0=A0When correlated over a symbol period, the resule will= be either 1 for teh correct tone, or 0 for th eotehr tone=A0=A0=A0 Howeve= r, BPSK compares the voltage amplitude between the two states, so you'= re now testing for what amounts to 1 or -1.=A0=A0=A0 Hence 3dB advantage= for synchronous BPSK versus synchronous FSK.=A0=A0
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Normally you don't=A0see the benefit in simple amateur signalling= protocols =A0as the need for carrier and bit timing recovery degrade the= process, so for casual signalling FSK wins - hence the power=A0 of K1JT&#= 39;s JTxx and WSPR modes.
=A0
But, by introducing GPS locked and timed signalling, operating both= ends coherently, the latter issues go away and you should be able to get= the full theoretical advantage of synchronous signalling.
=A0
Thanks for the info on the DDS= VFO, now I recall you mentioned
it in an earlier post. =A0 I wondered= whether it would do FSK.
The QRSS mode is very poor, a most inefficient use of the
channel capac= ity - literally a waste of time. =A0Dual frequency
Morse code would be= much better, but better still an efficiently
encoded digital signal se= nt with UT synchronous FSK.

Probably Spectrum Lab already has everything you need for
this, inc= luding the ability to sync the carrier frequency to
an external frequen= cy standard.

> i plan to get the permission for a 300m vertical= antenna!
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