Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.87]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMC051-a9674ba4d54f374; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:01:51 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0134B380000E2; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NszE5-0001xw-Ta for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:00:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NszE5-0001xn-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:00:29 +0000 Received: from mx.omskcity.com ([79.133.160.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NszE3-0003nd-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:00:29 +0000 Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host209.161-133-79.sotline.ru [79.133.161.209]) by mx.omskcity.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o2KE0MdX063681 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:00:23 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00253 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:54:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:54:54 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4BA4A867.1060907@abelian.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.1.8 (mx.omskcity.com [79.133.160.2]); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:00:25 +0600 (OMST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Cooperative ionosphere effects Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40574ba4d54d42d9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Sat, 20 Mar 2010, Paul Nicholson wrote: > Here I mean that amateurs might be able to find a way to > cooperate with researchers to do something useful. OK. I had misunderstand you. Certanly it will be good if amateurs cooperate with researchers. It seems to me vlf (or may be lf at least) is the only area where HAM's experiments can have some reseach sence. By the way spectral broading of a signal (if there is no modulation) obviously connected with some kind of moution in ionosphere. Such observations may have some research sence. But i am not familar with this area. I wonder why researchers in this area don't try to radiate coherent signal? Signal formed by ourself seems to be more convinient for research then natural spark signal. I see some analogy with research of light scattered by some substance. Such experiments can be provided with natural (but not thermal) incident light. But nobody do that now, everybody use laser to simplify analysis followed:-) > Software would have to de-chirp the triangle for all range > of delays, Yes. Such de-chirping is wellknown in radar science. It is interesting idea to use it here. > is to those involved)? Perhaps the VLF band should be treated > by amateurs as a place to do experiments, rather than just > another band on which to score dx points. True, true... Now HAMing on HF bacome simple operetion of 'black box' got from industry. It is not too interesting. But VLF may bring us someone more meaningful. Regards, Alexander