Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.77]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-5eec4ba38a0a1b; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:28:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B731B380000B3; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NsdA0-0007hy-IV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:26:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NsdA0-0007hp-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:26:48 +0000 Received: from mx.omskcity.com ([79.133.160.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nsd9x-0004tC-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:26:48 +0000 Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host209.161-133-79.sotline.ru [79.133.161.209]) by mx.omskcity.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o2JEQdgX052034 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:26:41 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00267 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:21:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:21:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4BA3187E.9010801@abelian.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.1.8 (mx.omskcity.com [79.133.160.2]); Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:26:43 +0600 (OMST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: VLF: TA, 300m and new PA? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4ba38a0845cf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Paul Nicholson wrote: > Given > > B = sqrt( 9.5e-21 * ERP/r) * exp( -r/a) > > where a = 2.9e6 for daytime path, or 4.3e6 for nighttime > path, day and night charts are plotted here, > > http://abelian.org/vlf/prop9-day.png > http://abelian.org/vlf/prop9-night.png Paul, parameter 'a' may be essentually larger if signal propagated over salt water. It depends on deposit of ionosphere and ground to attenuation. Thus nice theoretical problem arises. We can rather easy evaluate parameter 'a' without dissipation in ionosphere (describing it as perfect conductor). Then we can compare this value with empirical value. If such 'ideal ionosphere' value is close to empirical value then ground yelds main part of attenuation. In this case salt water gives much larger parameter 'a' and stronger signal then expected. Othervise main part of attenuation is ionosphere attenuation and 'a' over the water is close (up to small corrections) to 'a' over ground. I'll solve this problem but few weeks latter. Now i should live my home for work and have no time. Regards, Alexander