Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.213]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDI072-eacf4baea59a399; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:40:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 50BE538000107; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NvgXP-00050a-2R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:39:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NvgXO-00050R-JV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:39:34 +0000 Received: from smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NvgXL-0007ne-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:39:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 7112 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2010 00:39:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=inAiRW0v4989Ljg46NfIN9jwb0FMhmVKTOxUhTHMdd3IFFCXmMnJarnsP7wibQ8xNQF/xYXVIjC+RwNgmjmAgdXeUY6DMpIyB+OTx36+oM+7m9Ilg2RMo5WW+30hxsKjoAxdc9DyF9xP4ZZ4pGW/4VgcyF5MRzLcqPP+HUu2Zdk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1269736766; bh=/2/k6btIwyy4z2hB1VfeLLl7QWBcN/2t3B/bs+5bLGg=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=tsN1vGoc41vFCgF+wObhXiG5Mt4A35Ycc4upAe8BdF2no7H709iB0na5RXRFSEgIp7DAIxrS/B6LENoMF21kDz7Gtetnx3oxTO2olQOqTu0OD6MgpRUAaKWy5TmaWJi0863G8rIpVZTsysKbMJ7Jr7strN0++EGikNUhw0PqHyg= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2010 00:39:25 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: 8tPFExkVM1n5UGLkkjJEhH0hM.pLBGekih5rl__c1Ecdn8P42aQ0EaWjkQ8jDxpmlPBYAFSbRVNvVuVvdx_HjDYuwaknW2DQQJtoEUyYr13OV3oSNhz9dE3yNHptjWCXlyjVeAa.UpjkXc2hizuhShV26XKOrCbSKiWstMb7UU6xYq6PYQyQazyn23j306hbVYCtP_ypgmnVFVRHQUIKVa0d3vOKHqXkoNo89y6NXumlPKqG30uhEAQh_Z3SxvF6 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4BAD19D0.300@telia.com> <56DF8C4BED71466A80EB2EB1D99F6788@JimPC> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1BA3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1BA3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:39:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Question about ground impedance at 8.97 KHZ Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m202.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d54baea5997fa3 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Stefan, LF Group, ...>300 Ohm earth+surroundings losses is very good compared to my values on the hill, although i have just one small tree in a radius of >100m. What about your ground conductivity?....> The ground here is clay, with a high water content, so conductivity is probably high. The earth system was 4 - 6, 1m long, ground rods, spaced a few metres around the feed point. ...>Will you prepare a TX system on the dreamers band as well? Than we could repeat our CW QSO just like on 137kHz ;-)...> Based on the experience of the last few weeks, in order to achieve anything more than very short range communication, it will be neccessary for me to use the /P site I have used for the receive tests for transmission also. This requires some diplomacy with the owner of the site, who is one of my relations. I am working on it... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU