Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.145]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDD063-865c4b8c2ada1da; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:00:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3B29538000116; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NmChO-0003sp-BT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:58:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NmChO-0003sg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:58:42 +0000 Received: from smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NmChL-0001Uk-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:58:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 23673 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2010 20:58:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=Kl81FySpp9kcL1ggxAeIU1R3sl5y1EsUXOovKTvxhRAdbi7CoAliUa8/qhYt3gR5s3M0ESWqFueoaAefudEN+pg4k9NLfFCJb2vubJAUeLf2Ry1CcT2hV30zEoJOso3U/IlMMz/Cg81JfZurH5GwE5EcpCSUKaZ5Rx3vmlGG0eU= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1267477113; bh=QS7KJQ9+dpHNd1hT5EUxLFalWIsqed+Z1VGzE88ohAc=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=OB5BACet8btX/g4pTSKNKvn74cFgqVMypWDm8rYFj7jgxXi4AeZP1LhdbggpbcIlNJ7gyEgHXdJORJAP8qWEAxUWLMzI5OQYG7BRErZ3hXuR7Ao+hzdKTkdDe3lKo5sWMMPzx5F6AJtyBSK1nOXWl46A/h3geKyutuzEixYIgMI= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.180.204.156 with login) by smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Mar 2010 20:58:33 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: voVehkIVM1mRS886Pzd26Ls0ea2MpWZEQqb9M_k2s0Z7S5U0cGGbjw0KxLq6VI_renfRkkw0IunDTkqadyuRD451J5i4dMvbKgE9KKITfT2eMCmzilwqTNshKnN7_PWZ.viz7DPFXFMxZLA.v1e.TL9RV0XHjFfzlh9VxnRMJoVOVw0UiT8tPOMWYntVvI1aMpj3IBfTwTTWOZqdpLK8WHXYud.EbkCK3z968cwric3kujzUWxmY7_Al70u8pU8D6whBpTQs0PLz2xpc.VsMBsm.GBs15TXkW3o- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <34EE45A0413B499D9FD2861D88BD4AE1@AGB> In-Reply-To: <34EE45A0413B499D9FD2861D88BD4AE1@AGB> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:58:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 9kHz without high voltage Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m216.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60914b8c2ad873d5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Graham, LF Group, Well, scaling the 12 inch diameter coil on 160m would require about a 60 metre diameter coil at 9kHz, so still quite "challenging". It would need an impressive no-entry sign too ;-) I think you are referring to the toroidal antennas invented by Prof. Roger Jennison (G2AJV - now sadly SK). There is an article at http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/EM/jennison_cq_23_summer_95.pdf and many others. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: 9kHz without high voltage > Making a Torodial antenna, as presented at the Egham HFC would be a > good start ..