Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj08.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMC052-a9684b9f8f2b2f3; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:01:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mj08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2946338000048; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NrXJ6-0004Zh-JP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:59:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NrXJ6-0004ZY-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:59:40 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f220.google.com ([209.85.218.220]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NrXJ3-0003Yw-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:59:40 +0000 Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so10231633bwz.32 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:59:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=MDfruYCP7dZXL3RwNc+FUqbu/q/1TE97acC1ptooW1o=; b=SPbdXjIuqmirN66MBq7ic1XW0Ao9gPBTglGH7pmFGUDv67CCxhtjNLNP9KdNrDpQcN +jNG+07zPKzl2O48XbCGfPENxfcL1ygoBs3Mi1cCuwO2AT1Gt9egZeFLtnqLlgsFaKhG AHA55ay16rC27YrMqLv8mV0F9cZrx+KV+9a38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=L88NuSQIc+wz6Wz2yoKaq6SqL+grnCZFiIxFYMRzsm9XBZouocOg1llwoQPDUeP2rK gXt8l73ImctwZ0RNO9+7T8TvbfXcrY+QOxNuywLe1CSORFJ4d4qo5ZYqvV4mpEN0FgOe Upq67OGVpjruHHsqqWCZD+72leed/leU+iy3I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.49.88 with SMTP id u24mr522271bkf.44.1268747970230; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:59:29 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641003160659r4a659ae5re0a7a46ca1ba9f43@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 8.97kHz antennas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325556df21339240481eb68fc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d307.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039400c89b04b9f8f2a47fb X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325556df21339240481eb68fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Getting a Marconi vertical up in the sky is no mean task when 100m long and carrying a decent antenna current so I was wondering whether there is any merit in using grounded electrode pairs (as used for through-the-ground "earth mode" conduction tests) possibly fed with elevated feed wires as an alternative? Not being much of a theory man I've little idea how this would perform and what amount of the 8.97kHz energy injected into the loop thus formed would actually be radiated. Clearly stringing out a 200m long grounded electrode pair "antenna" in a big field would be considerably easier than raising a kite mounted vertical. This arrangement on a much larger scalle was used at 76Hz for Project Sanguine (to radiate a signal to submarines, deeply submerged) and papers I've read on "earth mode" caution that for military applications the through-ground path may not be secure because of the amount of energy radiated. I also recall that G0AKN used this arrangement with some success on 73kHz. Anyone know the answer? 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325556df21339240481eb68fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Getting a Marconi vertical up in the sky is no mean task when 100m long an= d carrying a decent antenna current so I was wondering whether there is an= y merit in using grounded electrode pairs (as used for through-the-ground= "earth mode" conduction tests) possibly fed with elevated feed= wires as an alternative?

Not being much of a theory man I've little idea how this would per= form and what amount of the 8.97kHz energy injected into the loop thus for= med would actually be radiated. Clearly stringing out a 200m long grounded= electrode pair "antenna" in a big field would be considerably= easier than raising a kite mounted vertical. This arrangement on a much= larger scalle was used at 76Hz for Project Sanguine (to radiate a signal= to submarines, deeply submerged) and papers I've read on "earth= mode" caution that for military applications the through-ground path= may not be secure because of the amount of energy radiated. I also recall= that G0AKN used this arrangement with some success on 73kHz.

Anyone know the answer?

73s
Roger G3XBM
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