Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj08.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-5ea74b9958c6ea; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:55:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mj08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B1D9738000090; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NppOf-0001Jy-70 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:54:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NppOe-0001Jp-Po for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:54:20 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NppOa-0006eh-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:54:20 +0000 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so468013bwz.4 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:54:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=62Y8Rk2LiqS9szBXqT+AsjhAsq0JqzEi1b+DfwqT7cY=; b=jIdOAKtnQuUiVYvMijHwKjkpzA2ZBEAZz/IsKGQiVl+qxnc8QowUa/3MbTjhiw8pll E0rcQH9EEHW4t9qighAgjtX3rKbqjhO7K0FbT/W6QzMVQqSKnYIg94hNprXhSBsQ/kHN R4pi3ovgQ5bDNIwb1ZA0ERmF3d2WbHY9Ujqos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=tk2Q4+/kdf8KvbYSKnhiaOspwjtNpHoIc6BIXN1EyjFqT8OhE3s3BGAeqp288v1JxP TqlEmnmuKouPv1N2UXPLUv3ystRzIdgTvvc45wp/AkIr86Vdipg2t+yDjRxX+HSI6xcq NqKtEdQVHm4xJ7ajSco7MRsLrHB+ld4EZ9ZS0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.34.195 with SMTP id m3mr543496bkd.190.1268340846543; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:54:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:54:06 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641003111254v47a0363eicdee899d7c2b3431@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Induction DX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255597c69cc33304818c9dbe X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d297.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039400c89b04b9958c45518 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255597c69cc33304818c9dbe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *If I've asked this before please forgive me....* With all the discussion recently on how to* radiate* a signal on sub-9kHz I'm left wondrering how far, practically, one could expect to get simply with sub-9kHz magnetic induction using multi-turn loops at each end? The Cave Radio Group (CREG) may have some answers but I'm not a subscriber so can't read any of their documents. It would be quite easy for anyone to generate 50-100W or so and feed this into a largish diameter multi-turn loop. Correctly aligned and with a similar loop at the far end and using decent weak signal processing just what range might be possible using modes like QRSS or WSPR? Has anyone tried this to see just what is practical, simply using induction fields? Also, can anyone point me to some webpages with some practical audio frequency induction communication systems? There are lots of references to near field comms for on-body and inter-device comms but I've not found much otherwise. 73s Roger G3XBM -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255597c69cc33304818c9dbe Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I've asked this before please forgive me....

With all the discussion recently on how to radiate a signal= on sub-9kHz I'm left wondrering how far, practically, one could expec= t to get simply with sub-9kHz magnetic induction using multi-turn loops at= each end?=A0 The Cave Radio Group (CREG) may have some answers but I'= m not a subscriber so can't read any of their documents.

It would be quite easy for anyone to generate 50-100W or so and feed= this into a largish diameter multi-turn loop. Correctly aligned and with= a similar loop at the far end and using decent weak signal processing jus= t what range might be possible using modes like QRSS or WSPR? Has anyone= tried this to see just what is practical, simply using induction fields?=

Also, can anyone point me to some webpages with some practical audio= frequency induction communication systems? There are lots of references= to near field comms for on-body and inter-device comms but I've not= found much otherwise.

73s
Roger G3XBM


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