Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.11]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDB081-85f44b8ea02835; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:45:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A01D338000087; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:45:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NmscC-0007gY-Iv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:44:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NmscC-0007gP-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:44:08 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmsc9-0000ps-5r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:44:08 +0000 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so1153665ewy.4 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:43:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vK7UeN2UhP9Z5ylgWP4kWfqy0Xq0lsVbSO1eJvyRiQs=; b=cIHH0dLDxIdknzaabVZS768Ye8M2dWQMYKR+Tebx8j1B34eLJ+BwAat21Zpq5HR1L6 Hpx8uO+ls1o9IGKBqyp6I1cmetaVtQ3WoGQ5wICFcwYodQXcp4tTzGV/5JbggZDM1Tch mKt44xN1bGYtYpKBXDc8hi7TQgPYlU+RPNPb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=yHWNp/CXmNieWmglEi2BLrXPyOJyAf7pzPF/wUsgRkCHQJ62dcNwtunus8eYOr2yGm bXq8GAMqDHmzVPG6bYjuG5JGnYIm0xLmpCih41l+SO1J3QdwHaunn5CACBIR6euOzYgo n8B7/Fgf3+kQF6jn+I8A1HWt4jYLm2KOP8cn8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.203 with SMTP id w53mr5321488wee.71.1267638239083; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:43:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B2A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:43:59 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2641003030943j79fe0f1cg6bb4786cb2b24171@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: AW: LF: VLF TX experiments_short report Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7f07af1bd950480e90683 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d296.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410b4b8ea0257c17 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d7f07af1bd950480e90683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, If I understand correctly, DF8ZR was listening for your 8.9kHz signal but did *not* receive you. Is this correct? 73s Roger G3XBM 2010/3/4 Alexander S. Yurkov > On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, [iso-8859-1] Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > > > Yesterday the wind was suitable and the sun was out :-) So i was on th= e > hill > > and did the first test. I even had an oscilloscope there to measure th= e > > antenna voltage and current waveforms. Some photos of the arrangement > > will be shown on my site at qrz.com in some days (sri, have forgotten > > cable between camera and PC...) > > I just had 1,6kVrms on the wire. That is 23dB less than calculated but= it > > was a first test. So, the ERP was just 1/200. Additionally i have > > forgotten a part of the ground radial wich increased the earth > > resistance. Bernd/DF8ZR received in a distance of abt 16km > > Anyway this is a new record on 9 kHz:-) Congadulations! Remember, this= is > well out of near reactive zone. Thus field decreases as 1/D and if you > increase voltage to 20 kV then distance will be 20:1.6=3D12.5 times more= . > 16*12.5=3D200km. You can see this first test corresponds > well with previous calculations (it SHOULD be abt 16 km with such a > voltage if 20 kV yelds 100-200 km). Factually you got first experimental > insurance of the calculations. Besides real distance may be more then > 200km because of ionosphere influence on such distances. All of this is > very interesting. > > Regards, > Alexander/RA9MB > > > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0016e6d7f07af1bd950480e90683 Content-Type: text/html; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan,

If I understand correctly, DF8ZR was listening for your 8.9= kHz signal but did not receive you. Is this correct?

73s
= Roger G3XBM

2010/3/4 Alexander S. Yurkov= <fitec@omskcit= y.com>
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, [iso-8859-1] Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
>
> Yesterday the wind was suitable and the sun was out :-) So i was on= the hill
> and did the first test. I even had an oscilloscope there to measure= the
> antenna voltage and current waveforms. Some photos of the arrangement=
> will be shown on my site at qrz.com in some days (sri, have forgotten
> cable between camera and PC...)
> I just had 1,6kVrms on the wire. That is 23dB less than calculated bu= t it
> was a first test. So, the ERP was just 1/200. Additionally i have
> forgotten a part of the ground radial wich increased the earth
> resistance. Bernd/DF8ZR received in a distance of abt 16km

Anyway this is a new record on 9 kHz:-) Congadulations! Remember, th= is is
well out of near reactive zone. Thus field decreases as 1/D and if you
increase voltage to 20 kV then distance will be 20:1.6=3D12.5 times more.<= br> 16*12.5=3D200km. You can see this first test corresponds
well with previous calculations (it SHOULD be abt 16 km with such a
voltage if 20 kV yelds 100-200 km). Factually you got first experimental insurance of the calculations. Besides real distance may be more then
200km because of ionosphere influence on such distances. All of this is very interesting.

Regards,
Alexander/RA9MB






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