Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.211]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-5eaf4b93ad53353; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 08:42:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5CB2C380000FC; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NoGja-0004xg-4a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:41:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NoGjZ-0004xX-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:41:29 +0000 Received: from web28105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.125]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NoGjZ-0003ta-Cy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:41:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 96901 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2010 13:41:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1267969283; bh=sHKjj7oxtFO/QxfeUBm80WsZCT6kE5ilG9w8CthUZLU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jdXtsGRB4vsBTzesQpVXdzbGQjxcNw/GvrpTuY9D0wAkI1/80QuM0UQyznKF946Gle+EBX/5KYi68DiJDI4K7TVWvD+xiud8ELU7DjBgbZTfVIoPPAh6OyTZV6MJJhhSpsJmQ6ii/X6tN4ORNvrtCBYo+L/HN3NleXdvhyRuKdM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4RlHk6P0y5a4J/WRKqVu0IdJicQ/QGJVFFI2cIZZlkJwS7SKeJnWrcb1xetfsgr6wsScmxF8jg9epjNG5o1vPoKVMSj6fkmQH18nhtQGl+gzhOmx+LFS6kY2AOzvZWBAxcy3YO42Ip7W7BkiLIJj/pbVDovIaHMpYsThaLZw0bw=; Message-ID: <996785.96604.qm@web28105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pZxGPeQVM1l.4MgByGWHK5ttznbVewAue2_rqub5qzfmNjJ kZmJyuvqsqU3yBlhIw3Y_E3ixLWl3qAV5UUJjURn8_g7MmNHaVxQsZak1I3W 17BTZ5NK.R19gFBx970fahuy90vY9nYTvOwvcHcIYE5b4CSp4d0GE3silhZ_ jCIim.D3KYh9.Q9QsRLedF8zonejZvDCrLYduqra6C2lUvp.7OzEStOqvZSZ AmwbIrrYy8fvERI3JOMgQ6Bi5aE16AHnC7KBPmdjxxAyU Received: from [86.143.244.65] by web28105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 05:41:23 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 05:41:23 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: 12 km on Dream(ers) Band Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1054104908-1267969283=:96604" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d296.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d34b93ad524857 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --0-1054104908-1267969283=:96604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well done Markus You are an example to us all you have gone out there and done it. More str= ength to you and thanks for a nice write up and picture... brilliant!! 73 es GL petefmt --- On Sat, 6/3/10, jcraig@mun.ca wrote: From: jcraig@mun.ca Subject: Re: LF: 12 km on Dream(ers) Band To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 6 March, 2010, 20:31 Congrats Markus and thank-you for providing the interesting details. 73 Joe VO1NA On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Markus Vester wrote: > Dear LF, > > on two evenings this week, I have transmitted an 8.97 kHz signal from my= LF Marconi at home, and attempted to receive it at various locations. The= experiment was very similar to the one in April 2003, but with a moderate= improvement in ERP and FFT bandwidth. Now on both occasions, the carrier= could be detected at a distance of 12.1 km: http://www.mydarc.de/df6nm/vl= f/vlf_12km.jpg > > My transmit antenna is relatively small, about 220 pF and 9 m effective= height at 137 kHz. Assuming a 20% reduction due to shielding, radiation= resistance would be around 74 microohms at 9 kHz. The 1.4 henry loading= coil is about 30 cm long by 12 cm diameter, and is split into seven sligh= tly conical sections, partly inserted into one another (http://www.mydarc.= de/df6nm/vlf/9kHz_aircoil.jpg). Each section has 700 turns of 0.2 mm ename= led wire, total DC resistance is 830 ohms. Fine tuning is achieved by shif= ting a thick block of ferrite into the last section. Using a 35 W car-radi= o audio amplifier and a 1:32 ferrite transformer, I now got up to 0.135 A= and 11 kV rms at the antenna. Radiated power was thus approximately 1.3= uW (EMRP). > =20 --0-1054104908-1267969283=:96604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well done Markus
You are an example to us all you have gone out there and done it. Mor= e strength to you and thanks for a nice write up and picture... brilliant!= !

73 es GL petefmt

--- On Sat, 6/3/10, jcraig@mun.ca &= lt;jcraig@mun.ca> wrote:

From: jcraig@mun.ca <jcraig@mun.ca>
S= ubject: Re: LF: 12 km on Dream(ers) Band
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg
Date: Saturday, 6 March, 2010, 20:31

Congrats Markus and thank-you for providing the int= eresting details.

73
Joe VO1NA


On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Ma= rkus Vester wrote:

> Dear LF,
>
> on two evenings th= is week, I have transmitted an 8.97 kHz signal from my LF Marconi at home,= and attempted to receive it at various locations. The experiment was very= similar to the one in April 2003, but with a moderate improvement in ERP= and FFT bandwidth. Now on both occasions, the carrier could be detected= at a distance of 12.1 km: http://www.mydarc.de/df6nm/vlf/vlf_12km.jpg>
> My transmit antenna is relatively small, about 220 pF and= 9 m effective height at 137 kHz. Assuming a 20% reduction due to shieldin= g, radiation resistance would be around 74 microohms at 9 kHz. The 1.4 hen= ry loading coil is about 30 cm long by 12 cm diameter, and is split into= seven slightly conical sections, partly inserted into one another (http://www.mydarc.d= e/df6nm/vlf/9kHz_aircoil.jpg). Each section has 700 turns of 0.2 mm en= ameled wire, total DC resistance is 830 ohms. Fine tuning is achieved by= shifting a thick block of ferrite into the last section. Using a 35 W car= -radio audio amplifier and a 1:32 ferrite transformer, I now got up to 0.1= 35 A and 11 kV rms at the antenna. Radiated power was thus approximately= 1.3 uW (EMRP).
>


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