Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj07.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.91]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-5eef4ba0336629d; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:41:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mj07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0026F38000097; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NriF5-0002Az-DB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:40:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NriF4-0002Aq-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:40:14 +0000 Received: from web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.130]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NriF1-0008RG-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:40:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 20858 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2010 01:40:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1268790005; bh=O587AWuLvEIuTeMCmwlDBJAsyK0YrhwlvHLRt3kQnbU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OmMlvzDf5JHYabOmnkJ4NcAFnuIo2Sc5EvzEzBKVIxQdpVXVOIzt53v8zuGM+sEjrZYuD6OA3wZMLnUnVsrYnsn4utCc5qN8t1tKxUPOTE+hbwxz3oQbTUy9DrRIJUeGyRMqGf2TRyT/Zz1/yR4xkvASJuqUVmkU28+gQzKuRBU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RkQXZAjfJXXYB2dt/2VmSrnFaj8H9JFIDYXT25In+GvnT833/Kifb/b5zHX2JXc82BFexkqsp8oY8qoO/7EPdIZVJL4rdWSixHRzPKuRZaY+wHSdiRJR/Z3ug7RjqnGY85LqHXXxOTbsRc82dvx9K4ijq1JUfQPdSZ6vSK72t+4=; Message-ID: <919606.19159.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yvhkLgoVM1nHVLTMbUey0oI7Lno5CRwFzwM1Q3h9OZ8X3CU nLZb8T.fgAwcmA9KfXFpl3w.yhStmVn1tLpe0TFXoh_sUjNZPrkJRe01uS1e n7ycan9j9ZSKelNjzFYTMEYZS4.5C9K3Dts1GbshG5yxLycLItEP7nmpKlBv YcPx4YOwk_A6cknlOa64TaQyHlCCTJhVN7ia1q2YQvToXHMYnoSDPqaZzFlc ABBcApg3__JSuMTbBwou0waHLBbywskjpOhe_tQBOYBI1o9wBCdeGenmELay bQJ3gBHfAQtUOy1.W517WrFRYN2ZlXA-- Received: from [213.122.45.23] by web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:40:05 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:40:05 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B9FE8B7.5030604@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 8.97kHz antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d235.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039400c89ae4ba033645932 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Mike Yeah, but coupling to 1000 miles of power distribution system woul= d be regarded a cheating by some.......and not really repeatable :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On Tue, 16/3/10, Mike.WE0H wrote: > From: Mike.WE0H > Subject: Re: LF: 8.97kHz antennas > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Tuesday, 16 March, 2010, 20:23 > Maybe those cables & pipes would > radiate some of the signal? Whatever is used to make the > signal go far away is fine. It just might be worth a try to > see if the ground loop works in the city. Just like you guys > figured out how to make a LF antenna radiate good enough > with your tiny backyards, this VLF antenna might work good > enough with all the cables, pipes & buildings in the > city. Out in the country in the open is always best but to > figure out how a city dweller can get out on the VLF band > with an antenna in his backyard, this could get more guys on > the air. Any antenna is better than no antenna, we have all > heard that phrase before. >=20 > Mike > WE0H >=20 >=20 >=20 > Roger L wrote: > > Thanks Alan. > >=20 > > Yes I can understand that poor ground conductivity > would result in a larger loop within the ground and that > with high conductivity the loop would be very small. With > regard to piping and cables, I'm thinking that any such > tests would have to be done well away from buildings and > property ideally in the middle of a large field out in the > country or on a stretch of moorland perhaps well away from > cables and pipes. In an urban area cables and pipes are > everywhere and anything could be happening. > >=20 > > 73s > > Roger G3XBM >=20 >=20