Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.14]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-a1874b9506fd62; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:17:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-di10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EDC943800009F; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nodky-0000Sy-1x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:16:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nodkx-0000Sp-ID for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:16:27 +0000 Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nodkw-0002vd-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:16:27 +0000 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o28EGAuE019859 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:16:10 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id l.bf9.7a65d21c (34991) for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.170]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB014-b2894b95069776; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:16:05 -0500 Received: from webmail-d031 (webmail-d031.sim.aol.com [205.188.167.95]) by smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE037-b2894b95069776; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:15:52 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:15:51 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 30746-STANDARD Received: from 194.138.39.62 by webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:15:51 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC8CE0FE429D99-1B04-174CC@webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Technique for measuring antenna height and noise background Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CC8CE0FE49C1C2_1B04_2E921_webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d400e4b9506fa5d45 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CC8CE0FE49C1C2_1B04_2E921_webmail-d031.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear LF, in the recent discussion we have basically considered two different method= s to estimate VLF noise background. One (called "A" here) was directly mea= suring the noise voltage at an electric antenna of known effective height.= The other ("method B") involved transmitting with a known current, calcul= ating radiated power, and comparing the received signal at a distant locat= ion to background noise. Both require a priori knowledge of the effective= height (h), which is somewhat uncertain. But it is interesting to note that height uncertainty has an inverse effec= t on the result of A and B. When h is lower than expected, with A we measu= re a smaller noise voltage, and will underestimate the noise floor. Howeve= r with B, we overestimate radiated power and received signal, and thus com= e up with a higher noise floor result. So in principle a combination of bo= th methods should enable us to measure h and cancel its effect. This concept can be generalized. It will allow us to formulate another met= hod to measure effective height and efficiency, which does not require any= kind of calibrated reference antenna, but is only based on reciprocity. Let's consider a set of three antennas in three different known locations:= =20 - Antenna A1 will be used only for transmitting. It could be a distant sou= rce like DCF39 or Alpha, absolute EMRP1 does not have to be known. It coul= d also be homogeneous background noise, - A2 is the device under test, whose height h2 we are interested in. It wi= ll both have to transmit a known current i2, and receive a measurable volt= age, - A3 is an uncalibrated receive only antenna, like an active probe, connec= ted to a receiver which can measure relative voltages. Then we will do three measurements: - u12 is the received open-circuit voltage at the output of A2, coming acr= oss a distance r12 from A1, - u13 is the receive level caused by A1 at A3, - u23 is the receive level at A3 when transmitting with current i2 into A2= . Assuming 1/r propagation for simplicity, we arrive at u12 =3D sqrt (90 ohm * EMRP1) * h2 / r12, u13 =3D sqrt (90 ohm * EMRP1) * h3 / r13, u23 =3D sqrt (90 ohm * 1589 ohm) * i2 * h2 / lambda * h3 / r23. We can eliminate EMRP1 and h3 by taking u12 * u23 / u13 =3D h2 * h2 * r13 / r12 / r23 * Zo / lambda * i2 with Zo =3D 377 ohms, and finally extract h2 h2 =3D sqrt ((u12 * r12) / (u13 * r13) * (u23 * r23) / i2 * lambda / Zo)= . Well I have probably reinvented another wheel here... but anyway I think= this method can be quite useful for determining our antenna efficiencies. 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Dear LF,
 
in the recent discussion we have basically cons= idered two different methods to estimate VLF noise background. One (called= "A" here) was directly measuring the noise voltage at an electric antenna= of known effective height. The other ("method B") involved transmitting= with a known current, calculating radiated power, and comparing the recei= ved signal at a distant location to background noise. Both require a prior= i knowledge of the effective height (h), which is somewhat uncertain.
 
But it is interesting to note that height uncer= tainty has an inverse effect on the result of A and B. When h is lower tha= n expected, with A we measure a smaller noise voltage, and will underestim= ate the noise floor. However with B, we overestimate radiated power and re= ceived signal, and thus come up with a higher noise floor result. So in pr= inciple a combination of both methods should enable us to measure h and ca= ncel its effect.
 
This concept can be generalized. It will allow= us to formulate another method to measure effective height and efficiency= , which does not require any kind of calibrated reference antenna, but is= only based on reciprocity.
 
Let's consider a set of three antennas in three= different known locations:
 
- Antenna A1 will be used only for transmitting= . It could be a distant source like DCF39 or Alpha, absolute EMRP1 does no= t have to be known. It could also be homogeneous background noise,
- A2 is the device under test, whose height h2 we are interested in. It wi= ll both have to transmit a known current i2, and receive a measurable volt= age,
- A3 is an uncalibrated receive only antenna, like an active probe, connec= ted to a receiver which can measure relative voltages.
 
Then we will do three measurements:
 
- u12 is the received open-circuit voltage at= the output of A2, coming across a distance r12 from A1,
- u13 is the receive level caused by A1 at A3,
- u23 is the receive level at A3 when transmitting with current i2 into A2= .
 
Assuming 1/r propagation for simplicity, we arr= ive at
 
 u12 =3D sqrt (90 ohm * EMRP1) * h2 / r12,=
 u13 =3D sqrt (90 ohm * EMRP1) * h3 / r13,
 u23 =3D sqrt (90 ohm * 1589 ohm) * i2 * h2 / lambda * h3 / r23.
 
We can eliminate EMRP1 and h3 by taking
 
 u12 * u23 / u13 =3D h2 * h2 * r13 / r12= / r23 * Zo / lambda * i2
 
with Zo =3D 377 ohms, and finally extract h2
 
 h2 =3D sqrt ((u12 * r12) / (u13 * r13) *= (u23 * r23) / i2 * lambda / Zo) .
 
Well I have probably reinvented another wheel= here... but anyway I think this method can be quite useful for determinin= g our antenna efficiencies.
 
Kind regards,
MArkus (DF6NM)
 
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