Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.224]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMA011-b4ef4b9ffb42304; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:42:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B4F303800012E; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NreVk-0008Ip-BA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:41:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NreVj-0008Ig-WA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:41:11 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NreVg-00077x-Ly for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:41:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.76.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.76]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99FE5D2C for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:41:04 -0400 (EDT) From: John Bruce McCreath Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:41:04 -0400 Message-Id: <85C03909-3D1E-4833-875C-87826B07D21B@hurontel.on.ca> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: 8.97 kHz. antenna idea X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60e04b9ffb405aa6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LFers, First I'd like to congratulate those who have made the effort to explore= this new and very challenging frequency! As Stefan and others have mentioned, an "earth loop" over poor ground is= something that most of us could put together and try. I'd like to make a serious suggestion of using two trees that are a distan= ce apart as the "earth electrodes" for an antenna of this sort. Think about it...the root system of a tree has a mu= ch more intimate connection to the soil around it than does just an earth rod. I'm currently using three conifers= as the antenna ground for my 1200 foot Beverage antenna, and believe me, it does work. It was much easier than= driving in ground rods during the long and cold Canadian winter which freezes the ground down to about four= feet. The connection was made right at ground level by driving a stainless steel= wood screw into the tree trunk and attaching the wire by sandwiching it between two washers under the screw= head. The screw doesn't need to be very long, as the most conductive part of the tree is directly under th= e bark. As mentioned, I use conifer trees since that's all I have (2000-3000 of them), but I expect that decid= uous would work as well. There are several good write-ups on the web dealing with using trees as gr= ounds and antennas A Google search will turn up lots of reading on the subject. =20 73, J.B., VE3EAR LowFER Beacon "EAR" 188.830 kHz. QRSS30