Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v128.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDA053-863d4bb1b778397; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:34:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BE1E5380000A3; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NwWsY-0006lg-Rn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:32:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NwWsY-0006lX-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:32:54 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NwWsX-0005fg-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:32:54 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2U8WlNN019714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:47 +0200 Received: from [129.206.29.99] (pc99.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.99]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id o2U8WqtT022428 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4BB1B7BB.1050708@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:35:07 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: PF per Meter dependant on wire size? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4bb1b7760aac X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Paul, I have an idea. Take a photo of tower and the place where the coil will be placed and add some red lines (e.g. with MS Paint) to illustrate the wires. Then we can add some lines how we would do it :-) Can you use the tower itselt as the antenna? I mean, can you place the coil on the tower and bring some wires down to earth, taking the HV? That would be the effectivest way to radiate a signal since the most current will flow in the cable between earth and the lower end of your coil! It's like on LF, MF and HF, the effectiveness grows when the loading coils are places as far as possible from the feeding point (e.g. a short dipole or vertical). 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 30.03.2010 00:36, schrieb Paul A. Cianciolo: > Hi Jim > > Thank you for the formula for calculating "C" of a wire. > Also the information about adding additional wires is valuable. > > There are 2 methods I could try with my 55 meters of wire. > With the use of fiberglass spreaders, multiple wires could be spread apart > at the top of the tower forming a fan of the wires. > With a single point on the shack end where the wires would all would > combine. > > Probably better would be to support 4 wires equally spaced on a fiber glass > poles 9 meters long on both the tower end and the shack end. > > This seems too easy Jim, there must be a point of diminishing returns. > > Knowing that the wire is 55 meters long, and 1 wire measures at 340 pf would > you hazard a guess as to 4 wires 1 meter apart each the value of "C" > > Do you think 700 pf is achievable? > > Thank you for reading > > PaulC > W1VLF > >