Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.8]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDF082-5eff4ba3c532102; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:40:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-di04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A3CFA380000D4; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nsh61-000242-LA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:38:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nsh61-00023t-4T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:38:57 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nsh5z-0006d8-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:38:57 +0000 Received: from abelian.netcom.co.uk (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E75328C5C for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:36:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abelian.netcom.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o2JIcmap009115 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:38:49 GMT Message-ID: <4BA3C4B7.6000405@abelian.org> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:38:47 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4BA0A501.5050506@abelian.org> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4BA3187E.9010801@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: VLF: TA, 300m and new PA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40084ba3c5304634 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jacek wrote: > [interference to research] might be not so much of a big > problem after all. I'm inclined to agree. The ERP is low and should only be a problem to a research station near to a tx, which could be dealt with on individual cases. I should think the lightning locator networks would be affected least of all - as they are timing pulses, the narrow band CW should not get in the way. But they are the tip of the iceberg. There is much work going on with whistlers, lightning, sprites, etc - there is so much still to learn about interaction between sun, magnetosphere, ionosphere, lightning, weather, climate, seismic events, etc. Sensitive instruments operating at frequencies below 9kHz are important for all of this. There are already many signals to avoid - power distribution, navigation and Navy MSK signals. The latter are a nuisance because they obliterate whistler nose frequencies at mid latitudes. But they have their uses too - strong reliable signals for detecting ionospheric events. One difficulty may be that military users might argue that, if radio amateurs are allowed to transmit, why can't we? For example, there is sometimes a test signal on VLF, origin unknown, which moves across a wide range of frequencies above 9kHz. I have seen it come down to 9.000kHz +/- 0.4Hz and stop there, obviously respecting the ITU limit. You can imagine they would like to go lower if they could get away with it. Perhaps these concerns amount to nothing - the regulations and politics are not my field at all! But personally I would not like to see conflict between researchers and amateurs. Having a foot in both camps I can play Devil's advocate in both directions and it seems to me that technically there need not be a collision. (My 'dream' would not be dx records, but to find a cooperative role). Hopefully the Bundesnetzagentur have done their homework and made suitable consultations before declaring the band 'free'. But doesn't it seem extraordinary? No restriction of ERP, mode, or frequency! Perhaps amateurs should elect sensible voluntary limits. Better for the hobby too, so that all the success is not taken by a few with largest wallet and garden, and instead ingenuity, technical skill and determination will be rewarded. Transmitters and receivers seem not too hard to build. Success may boil down to developments in weak signal extraction and decoding. One can imagine a contact taking days to complete with symbol-synchronous or even phase-synchronous signal processing at each end. It could turn into a very technical band. There might even be developments that have benefit for underground comms or geological survey. Who knows but it's an exciting green field in many ways. Hmm, too much dreaming going on at this end... -- Paul Nicholson --