Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.210]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDD052-86334ba131513c4; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:45:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D50B3800017E; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nrz9h-0001RI-Hh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:43:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nrz9h-0001R9-2L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:43:49 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nrz9f-0006rP-S9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:43:49 +0000 Received: from abelian.netcom.co.uk (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6030C3278A9 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:41:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abelian.netcom.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o2HJhe2g020305 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:43:41 GMT Message-ID: <4BA130EC.1040509@abelian.org> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:43:40 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001cac47a$f4ba1350$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B57@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B9F82C9.3000301@abelian.org> <4B9FB3F5.6030707@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4B9FE483.8020806@abelian.org> <006D51ECA524413B84D8C0019B2FE99C@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <006D51ECA524413B84D8C0019B2FE99C@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DK7FC's 2nd VLF TX test... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d24ba1314f3c58 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Moritz wrote: > Paul's 5mHz FFT resolution was longer than optimum for > QRSS120 reception. Yes, the signal was too wide, except during the initial tune- up when the pure carrier sat nicely inside one frequency bin. > DFCW is about 2 -3 times quicker than QRSS, I should think so. And still easy to read from the spectrogram. And gain maybe another 25% or more if you switch from Morse to a more efficient binary prefix coding where you don't need the inter-character gaps either. > see the attachment for about 14 hours duration this > morning/afternoon between 8900 - 9100 Hz. Great diurnal, working nicely there James. But the interference is bad. Looks like a classic case of needing transformer isolation to disconnect the antenna completely from domestic ground. Perhaps you can try that easily? Apart from that, the noise floor looks great. Really, more receivers are needed - calibrated receivers that can return useful measurements. The average noise floor gives a kind of standard, if allowance is made for longitude and there are no thunderstorms or solar/geomagnetic disturbances, but it is nice to try for an absolute reference. Mal Hamilton wrote: > Frequency and some carrier is NOT PROOF ... > I need positive keyed ID to be convinced Quite agree. For record purposes it is surely necessary in amateur radio to transfer some kind of message at least. So far this has only been done to 16km I think. However, putting on the physicist's hat, this was a very satisfactory measurement. Frequency, timing, and bearing, in a band devoid of other carriers, provide a sufficiently unique combination and the result was a good measurement, good significance. It was a very rewarding experiment and has provided the first peg in a propagation model. This will be a challenging band - it's going to need every trick in the book to actually transfer messages any long distance. -- Paul Nicholson --