Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.94]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDA083-86404ba09e7f306; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:18:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8BD6A3800008C; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NrpNb-0004jH-JL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:17:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NrpNb-0004j8-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:17:31 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NrpNZ-000225-S5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:17:31 +0000 Received: from abelian.netcom.co.uk (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC21328CA8 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:14:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abelian.netcom.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o2H9HMED027569 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:17:23 GMT Message-ID: <4BA09E22.9060606@abelian.org> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:17:22 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <910844.27140.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4B9FDFA7.7090208@gmx.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B5D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4BA00630.9070300@abelian.org> <20100317073501.185C3F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20100317073501.185C3F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 8.97kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605e4ba09e7d3d1f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > do you know the difference (signal strength) between Stefan's signal > and the 11kHz Alpha signal at your place? Yes, Alpha amplitude was logged at the same bandwidth during the test. The average amplitude of the central 11904.761Hz component during the 90 minutes analysed was 11.6fT, but there is probably 50% error on that estimate. I recommend calibrating your rx directly. If you are using a loop antenna you can use a current injection method, as described in this paper, https://sakerlagring.telia.se/user/Share.aspx?id=bfe0945f-b99f-4e6d-ae99-5b65c13523dc section 6.2, or 6.3 if you are unbalanced. All you need is a signal source of known amplitude, and measurements of the loop's inductance and resistance. Maybe not so straightforward if you are using a tuned loop. Assuming a non-tuned loop with low impedance amplifier input, it is possible to leave the R+C calibration network in-circuit all the time without affecting performance - the noise produced by the calibration network is a poor impedance match to the amplifier so doesn't make a difference. Then you have continuous calibration! > This would give me (and maybe others) a target for my 8.97kHz > RX setup. From what I can see of the spectrograms posted by various people, the VLF noise floor is clearly dominant on them all. The diurnal variation is present. A useful reduction of the noise floor is obtained by orienting the loop to null as much of the background as possible. The null orientation changes throughout the day. Further background reduction is obtained by blanking the stronger sferics. On my rx, I trigger a 2mS (retriggerable) blanking whenever the instantaneous amplitude exceeds 10 times the mean rectified amplitude, where the mean is computed as a moving average with 15 second time constant. These settings were arrived at after some trials against a test signal. During the day about 3 or 4% of the signal is discarded, at night it can be 10% or more. Oh, the blanking takes place after a high-pass filter to remove the stronger mains hum components, otherwise they dominate the mean signal amplitude. I will produce some charts of the average background diurnal at 9kHz. -- Paul Nicholson