Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.217]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINME083-8bbe4ba03dbb3a9; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:26:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 56C1C3800008D; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Nriw6-0002UJ-SL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:24:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Nriw6-0002UA-FR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:24:42 +0000 Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([74.208.5.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nriw4-0000AT-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:24:42 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2010 02:24:33 -0000 Received: from 75-168-150-7.mpls.qwest.net (EHLO [192.168.1.100]) [75.168.150.7] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us001) with SMTP; 16 Mar 2010 22:24:33 -0400 X-Authenticated: #60769621 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+/jDt/dMm/RDsYPLIzl3JONeZ7bb4k5moXZXmRTS Tf3GZeKdL5880g Message-ID: <4BA03D43.8090806@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:24:03 -0500 From: "Mike.WE0H" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <919606.19159.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <919606.19159.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.59999999999999998 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 8.97kHz antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94ba03db95561 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Alan, Some would complain that is isn't radio but current carrier communications. Either way if it works, I say go for it...hi hi... I'm waiting to see the day those guys cross the pond on the 8kc band. Wouldn't that be something cool...It would be good to get some North American stations going on the band to see if the band does open for DX at the power levels the guys are experimenting with. Could you imagine a audio tube amp pumping out a kilowatt or two? hi hi... Mike WE0H ALAN MELIA wrote: > Hi Mike Yeah, but coupling to 1000 miles of power distribution system would be regarded a cheating by some.......and not really repeatable :-)) > > Alan G3NYK > > > --- On Tue, 16/3/10, Mike.WE0H wrote: > >> Maybe those cables & pipes would >> radiate some of the signal? Whatever is used to make the >> signal go far away is fine. It just might be worth a try to >> see if the ground loop works in the city. Just like you guys >> figured out how to make a LF antenna radiate good enough >> with your tiny backyards, this VLF antenna might work good >> enough with all the cables, pipes & buildings in the >> city. Out in the country in the open is always best but to >> figure out how a city dweller can get out on the VLF band >> with an antenna in his backyard, this could get more guys on >> the air. Any antenna is better than no antenna, we have all >> heard that phrase before. >> >> Mike >> WE0H >> >> >> >> Roger L wrote: >>> Thanks Alan. >>> >>> Yes I can understand that poor ground conductivity >> would result in a larger loop within the ground and that >> with high conductivity the loop would be very small. With >> regard to piping and cables, I'm thinking that any such >> tests would have to be done well away from buildings and >> property ideally in the middle of a large field out in the >> country or on a stretch of moorland perhaps well away from >> cables and pipes. In an urban area cables and pipes are >> everywhere and anything could be happening. >>> 73s >>> Roger G3XBM >> >